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1347 Posts / 42M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

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Well look at that. Now you're saying we should not be analytical about "certain" things


Not so. You can be analitical about spiritual matters but there is not the same kind of statistical probablility in such matters.

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And being that you are a devout Christian it would appear you are defending a point now because it threatens your security.


I am not threatened because I believe in such things. But statistical probability would inhibit you from realising such things because you cannot calculate the Spirit in conventional ways. It is funny that you think your unbelief threatens me


"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

1687 Posts / 40M
     :   20yrs   :  
awakendwraith

i have recently learned the following from a coversation with ethereal...

prejudice is popular because people are stupid. whenever we are prejudice towards a man with a gun in a bank that does not look stable, we are more than justified in saying that he is a crimanal that is going to ron the bank. when we say that it is justified to say that young kids dont know anything, we are not justified (for sake of argument do NOT bring up my no right and wrong theory). it is an intelligent thing t say that he is a robber because one, the circumstances are extreme, and two the is an abundance of situational evidence to this particular case. if we said that i saw a guy that looked insane, he must be robbing the bank, i would be wrong. because the only evidence i have is looks. and all 'look' interpretation is automaticaly subjective to our own previous history. the reason why i am unjust in saying that the kids dont know anything is the only evidence i have is previous people, or my prejudice towards young people.

the reason why it is stupid peoples fault is because they cant tell the difference between a bank robbery and a smart remark. and we all know how many stupid people there are.

thats not the only bit i have learned, but i will stop there.


"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

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2848 Posts / 94M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

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You can be analitical about spiritual matters but there is not the same kind of statistical probablility in such matters.

No matter how you spin it, any analysis without statistical probability is idiotic. Your innability to analyze spirituality analytically is a choice.

Some of us are able to, and succeed.

Hence your contradiciton. You say people should not accept things blindly, yet you defend it in regards to "spirituality".

dare I ask you how to approach spirituality without logical analysis without being "too accepting"?

Faith?

There is no difference between illogical faith and the things you seem to contradict. faith is either the result of statistical probability, or it is a choice.

If it is a choice, you are an idiot.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

1347 Posts / 42M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

Faith is a choice based on belief through experience so I guess that is where statistical probability comes in. But spirituality is both known and unknown and I don't think you can explain it all through analysis because if you could then it would cease to be super natural wouldn't it?


"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

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2848 Posts / 94M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

You must explain everything you believe through analysis or you are no different than a murderer. The only difference between faith and mental illness is that faith is more widely accepted.

Without blind mathematical statistical probability (or at least a desire to achieve this) you are not in control of what you believe, and although today you might just believe in Jesus, tomorrow you might think he wants you to kill homosexuals.

Open mindedness is a wonderful thing, and is better than closed mindedness in any form. Once information is absorbed through that mind, however, only the unbiased analysts of this world truly achieve greatness for they learn the odds to win the game.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

856 Posts / 41M
     :   21yrs   :  
Jacker_Jones

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Without blind mathematical statistical probability


Past experiences have been proven wrong. If you always play the odds then no progress has been made. Sometimes the stand out, the least likely happens and is proof that neglecting the least likely is closed mindedness. Open mindedness is accepting the mere possibility. So playing the odds is disclosing possibility even if it is small.

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The only difference between faith and mental illness is that faith is more widely accepted.


Couldn't agree more.


"I love to see people struggling for their purpose in life..."

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2848 Posts / 94M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

To make an executive decision to go against what the odds say is totally different. Admittedly moving in a direction that has proven to be less successful than another one is possible even for those that are aware of statistical probability.

Open mindedness and the ability to analyze information intelligently is not linked to the actions that individuals take. There is definitely something to be said for going against the odds.

But doing so with the belief that it is the best decision to make is where the annoying shitheads come in. For instance, I hate Christians but I like Christians that admit they follow the faith because it is convenient and pleasant, and make no claims as to it being the truth or not.

This is a good example of a person knowing that what they choose to believe is probably incorrect, but they choose to take a gamble for the short term benefits.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

1347 Posts / 42M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

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The only difference between faith and mental illness is that faith is more widely accepted.


You must be incredibly paranoid then. Faith is simply belief put into actions. I get into a car because I believe it will get me where I want to go, that is faith.

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and although today you might just believe in Jesus, tomorrow you might think he wants you to kill homosexuals.


My faith won't allow me to believe that Jesus would want that however if I became dellusional then perhaps I might be decieved. Mental illness is much less stable than faith.


"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

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2848 Posts / 94M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

*lmao*

Your whole post just says:

"My faith in illogical things won't permit me to do the wrong illogical things, only the right illogical things."

Are ya SURE? Will Jebus make sure you don't kill homosexuals by whispering sweet nothings into your ear? Will he keep you logical?


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

1347 Posts / 42M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

You mock me because I adhere to a set of standards that you disagree with.

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Are ya SURE? Will Jebus make sure you don't kill homosexuals by whispering sweet nothings into your ear? Will he keep you logical?


I know of no Jebus.
God keeps me accountable and because of this I will act as responsibly as I am able to.


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Your whole post just says


"It would be in your best interests to respect the person you are speaking to enough to consume the entirety of their message."

Again you tell others what to do but will not act on your own words.


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2848 Posts / 94M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

Arguing about my hypochrisy (or lack thereof) is not something I will engage in, and your attempt to move us away from your bullshit contradictions will not work.

You start a thread condemning people who are too open minded and accept things too readily yet once threatened you immediately begin to defend your "open minded scrutinized beliefs".

Why?

WELL! Because:

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God keeps me accountable

God kept Dahmer accountable too. He ate men.

You have absolutely, positively no right to criticize "illogical open mindedness" when you claim to believe in things based on God whispering in your ear.

You are the glaring example of the reasoning behind closed mindedness: The biased acceptance of information, because you are too weak to question beliefs you have built security around.

You have answered your own questions with your confused behaviour.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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2848 Posts / 94M
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Decius

Just like Christians like you believe homosexuals choose to be homosexual and build a community around the persecution of homosexuals, cool people build a community around persecuting geeks.

I do not deny that you are genuinely confused by this phenomenon... otherwise you wouldn't have posted this thread in the first place.

And just as in this case, most of the answers that relate to criticising others can be found in our own prejudices.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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2848 Posts / 94M
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Decius

And yes... my despising intolerance is a form of intolerance, and I have not yet discovered a way of overcomming this. I envy people who are aware of but don't feel like shooting intolerant people.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

1347 Posts / 42M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

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God kept Dahmer accountable too. He ate men


Right but wrong. God kept Dahmer accountable overall yes. But God played no part in Dahmer's decision making. God was, is and will keep me accountable because He is part of who I am.

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You have absolutely, positively no right to criticize "illogical open mindedness" when you claim to believe in things based on God whispering in your ear.


Do you have a conscience? Because that is the means of God whispering.

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because you are too weak to question beliefs you have built security around.


How can you tell me what i do or do not do? Is it because you think your conclussions are better than mine? I believe what I belief only because I ask questions that challenge myself.

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build a community around the persecution of homosexuals


You sure are quick to make assumptions. You know what homosexuality almost never comes up in the context of my Christian community. I don't go out of my way to debate the issue but somehow it always comes back into play. I have no problems with homosexuals as people. One of my favourite coworkers is gay he's a really cool person and I like working with him.

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I envy people who are aware of but don't feel like shooting intolerant people.


The trick is to actually believe that intolerant people are not worth less than you are.


"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

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2848 Posts / 94M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

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God was, is and will keep me accountable because He is part of who I am.
I think i read somewhere that Dahmer said the same thing. Or was it Hitler?

My conclusions are better than yours because they are debateable. My conclusions make me more right than you because you expect me to take your word for it, whereas I respect you enough to give you logical reasons for my conclusions.

You are part of a group that is bigotted towards homosexuals (as I clearly proved elsewhere). Whether you are a Nazi that stomps on Jews or not... you are still a fucking Nazi and support the cause of Nazis.

Okay... forget everything i've said (as it probably already hit your closed Christian mind) and answer me one simple question:

Without analytical thought, how can you decipher between God whispering to you in one ear, and Satan whipering to you in the other?


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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