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856 Posts / 41M

21yrs

Jacker_Jones

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My conclusions are better than yours because they are debateable

I don't know how that's a good thing. If it were debatable then wouldn't it also be questionable.

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logical reasons for my conclusions

Very true. But, I feel that people can only trust their own logic. What others say or tell shouldn't make conclusions.

"I love to see people struggling for their purpose in life..."

1687 Posts / 40M

20yrs

awakendwraith

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Without analytical thought, how can you decipher between God whispering to you in one ear, and Satan whipering to you in the other?

this is something i have often thought of, because it says, or i think it does, that lucifer will pretend to be god. right.

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You are part of a group that is bigotted towards homosexuals

your race is categorized as terrorists. this does, by no means, make you a terrorist. i think the word religion is tossed around to lightly. he may be a "christian", but that does not meen he holds "all" of their ideals. this may not be the case for ethereal, but it is for some. it is simply easier to say "christian" than think out ALL of your own personal beleifs. is that the best way to go about things? maybe not, but i think that is what has takin place here.

"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

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2848 Posts / 94M

28yrs

Decius

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your race is categorized as terrorists. this does, by no means, make you a terrorist

Are you retarded? How does being indian or middle-eastern compare to the choice one makes in being a Christian?

And debateable does not mean weak in its logic. That means there are premises that can be argued based on fact. The opposite of which is "I believe in Jesus because the bible says so." A debateable conclusion is not an opinion or a choice... it is the result of deduction based on experience.

And logic is universal. Individual logic isn't logic at all... it is arbitrary opinion. What others say or tell should most definitely affect conclusions because anything your senses absorbs is information that makes you more able to predict things accurately.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

1347 Posts / 42M

23yrs

etherealmeekle

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Without analytical thought, how can you decipher between God whispering to you in one ear, and Satan whipering to you in the other?

You don't. One must determine which is the voice of God by analizing the Bible or past experience with God.

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I think i read somewhere that Dahmer said the same thing. Or was it Hitler?

Probably both said it. The difference is faith. You see anyone can say anything but without actions to back up the words the words mean nothing. If I say "This is a hammer" and I am clearly holding a basketball would you assume that the ball was indeed a hammer just because I said so? In the same way to consider either Hitler or Damher to be Christians just because they claimed to be would be just as ridiculous.

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My conclusions make me more right than you because you expect me to take your word for it,

I expect you to take God's word for it.

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you are still a fucking Nazi and support the cause of Nazis.

To my knowledge the Nazis considered themselves a supreme people. And sought to wipe out inferiors. But seeing as I do not elevate myself above anyone else and thus could not possibly wipe out any inferiors then I must be doing the whole Nazi thing wrong.

I am doing what you are doing. Trying to change a way of thought. Are you a Nazi?

"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

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2848 Posts / 94M

28yrs

Decius

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You don't. One must determine which is the voice of God by analizing the Bible or past experience with God.

Boom. We finally get to the root. The Bible is truth. You are a closed minded fool because that is unquestionable to you.

Moving on...

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

1347 Posts / 42M

23yrs

etherealmeekle

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Boom. We finally get to the root. The Bible is truth. You are a closed minded fool because that is unquestionable to you.

It would seem that your prejudice of me has been unquestionable to you this whole time and therefore you are also closed minded. You are also closed minded in you certainty of empathy being the way to a better world. While you try to pretend you are tolerant and open minded the truth is you aren't (by your own admission) while I know that I am intolerant and also closed minded (at least in part).

"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

1347 Posts / 42M

23yrs

etherealmeekle

If one is open minded then how does one handle contradictory ideas?

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2848 Posts / 94M

28yrs

Decius

Ideas that have in their premises unrealistic or illogical assumptions that are unwilling to bulge cannot be absorbed.

This is why this discussion is over.

You answered my important question about judging your conscience and you clearly said that it is the duty of the Bible to do that. There are a thousand and one reasons that all point to the Bible being a book of lies, incorrect historical facts, and psychological vices.

However, as both you and I are aware, you are unwilling to accept any of those premises in judgement of your "holy book".

This makes you illogically closed minded. My decisions to cease continuing to discuss with you does not equate me to you, hard as you might like to point that out. It means that you are not seeking true information.

You are seeking true information aside from any information that may threaten your security in the bible, or Jesus, or Christianity.

This is closed mindedness. This is one of many examples of the reasons people are closed minded. The false belief that you are stronger than me or another person because you are unwilling to accept premises that weaken your position actually indicates that you are insecure about your position... because you are unable to question it.

I, in comparison to you, am not closed minded about the same things. If you were to ask me about my beliefs in God, or life, or any books I might regard as "the truth", I would open mindedly accept any and all critcism you might have, even absorb it if it is logical, and permit it to alter my lifestyle.

This makes me stronger, more intelligent, and more open minded than you. Just as anyone else is if they have the confidence to question their beliefs in pursuit of the truth.

And in the end... anyone more open minded than another will always surpass them. This has been my experience my whole life, and logically psychologically makes perfect sense.

An inquisitive non-Christian will always surpass an inquisitive Christian in intelligence over time because a non-Christian will absorb more information.... because they do not filter the results their senses absorb.

To be open minded, one must first be confident and secure.

Confidence is accepting contradictory ideas as possible truth, then analysing them logically to determine the probability.

Not once have you done this in all your posts on captain cynic in regards to Christianity. Other Christians have... but you have not. You have not once accepted the possibility that the Bible is a fabricated method of control. That Christianity is a bigotted hate religion.

And you are, therefore, insecure about your faith. Illogical about your deduction.

And closed minded.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

1347 Posts / 42M

23yrs

etherealmeekle

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There are a thousand and one reasons that all point to the Bible being a book of lies, incorrect historical facts, and psychological vices.

Like what? People always insist that the Bible is wrong but as of yet no one can tell me why.

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And in the end... anyone more open minded than another will always surpass them. This has been my experience my whole life, and logically psychologically makes perfect sense.

Again you lack the ability to percieve that other people are equal to you. While I may be closed minded as least I can walk my choosen path while you will never achieve pacifism because you cannot empathize with people different from yourself. So while my closed mindedness allows me to love all people regardless of what they do your open mindedness makes you intolerant.

"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

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2848 Posts / 94M

28yrs

Decius

We will start another thread about the scientific evidence pointing to the bible being manufactured.

And you are absolutely correct. I do lack the ability to empathize with closed minded people. I am intolerant of intolerance. And as I said before, this is one of the things I would like to surpass.

But you are incorrect about me thinking they are not equal to me. In fact, my frustration with closed minded people stems from my belief that they are fully able to exceed that. I have encountered people who i felt were beyond help, and I found myself completely peaceful in light of their closed mindedness.

So it is out of respect and in a way, love, that I try to open your mind.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

1347 Posts / 42M

23yrs

etherealmeekle

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In fact, my frustration with closed minded people stems from my belief that they are fully able to exceed that.

This is why you cannot empathize with them. Instead you should consider the possibility that you also could be closed minded. If you work from the basis that they can be where you are then you almost instinctively look down on them.

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So it is out of respect and in a way, love, that I try to open your mind.

My mind is open enough. I am content with who I am and the things that I closed my mind to. Closed is not the same as locked if at some point someone can give me good reason to reconsider my views then I will. It happens more often then you would think.

"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

1687 Posts / 40M

20yrs

awakendwraith

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So it is out of respect and in a way, love, that I try to open your mind.

thats so sweet.

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My mind is open enough.

do you really think so, or was this just something clever to say? i don't beleive a mind can be open enough, unless it is completly open. open mindedness shows respect, intelligence, freindlyness, and modesty. these are all atributes that most people see appealing. so , i think, that is why a lot of people choose to vbe open minded, rather than closed. also, if you didn't notice, every time some one is called 'closed minded' they imidiatly defend themselves. this is a sing that we know that closed mindedness is ugly, but lack the ability to surpass the vice, as such are embaressed about. i think that means it is our nature to be open minded.

"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

1347 Posts / 42M

23yrs

etherealmeekle

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i don't beleive a mind can be open enough, unless it is completly open

Complete openness means absolute uncertainty. It allows one to think all things may be possible but maintains the idea that nothing is certain. Without certainty there would be no law only chaos. Open minded people claim to accept all views except for ones that they deem closed minded and thus by not accepting closed minded views they have limited their thought and are themselves closed minded. I have no problem with filtering my mind of ideas that I deem useless. But as an open minded person you would have complete ignorance because while your mind may contain all ideas it does not believe that they are true and therefore you know nothing.

"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

1687 Posts / 40M

20yrs

awakendwraith

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there would be no law only chaos

assumption only makes an ass out of you and me.

"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

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2848 Posts / 94M

28yrs

Decius

i agree with awakend on both his posts.

You'd rather assume with certainty something false?

And assuming things without certainty is better than with if all you have is uncertainty to begin with. That supposed staiblity you think you have is completely false, and chosen.

But you have now admitted that the things you close your mind to are done so by choice, to keep stability in your life. This is very important. This means that you must believe the Bible is the word of God by choice.

And yes, as you have admitted, that is self-inflicted closed-mindedness for security and stability.

And no, I am not closed minded because I choose not to be. In fact, i was originally incorrect about my intolerance towards intolerance. My intolerance is towards stubborn-ness. This whole time I have been trying to point out that your beliefs make you closed minded, that that is self-inflicted, that you do this for staiblity, yet you argue with me, and now by your own admission you admit it.

I believe you were able to come to that conclusion many posts ago had you respected me enough to read and swallow what I have said. And this is possibly the root of my intolerance.

And I'm not certain if intolerance towards stubborn-ness is really something that makes me closed minded. Perhaps it does. But the difference between me and you is I seek to remedy this. You don't seek to dis-believe the Bible. You defend your belief in that.

So although I may be closed minded about some things as you are, the glaring difference is I am attempting to purify myself. You are attempting to remain as you are and in fact defend your right to do so.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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