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does anyone else think that fashion is WIDELY overrated and glorified? i cant begin to believe that there are colleges that specialize in fashion... the way we dress/look. wow. theres a whole shitload of things to study and develop. why are we analyzing which $700. pair of shoes looks best with the trendiest bag? puke

and look at the general magazines in a drugstore. about 80% of them are about -getting that look--- and superficialness.
we're kind of teaching the coming generation of teens that looking a certain way is almost Necessary. seems to me that we put image first and everything else revolves around it. maybe this is more orevalent in my area and im also not saying that everyone acts this way. but the fashion colleges..wow comeon people wake up

Fashion is the source and sustainance of ALL evil.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

i wouldnt quite go that far, lol. your managing to sound like an over indoctrinate redkneck vicar, and frankly if this wasnt an internet convo, i would have run off.

i think fashion is overrated. it is active encouragement to be a sheep, and as long as there is one sheep, there will be one too many (by sheep i mean somone who follows others without thinking, just in case anyone thought id was changing subject). i think everyone should just wear what they like, and what is comfortable.

"So Schrodinger's Cat is not only neither dead nor alive, but might also be sexually aroused by elbows and peanut butter?"

The view depends what you want to achieve!

If you want a tip to fit in go along with the current trend but make yours just a little different. Alternatively be truly individual and you may be too different.

""No words""

true, you can be to different. ill change what i said, to dont follow the fashion, but dress with some taste. its fine to stand out, but to look like you dont understand the society is not good.

"So Schrodinger's Cat is not only neither dead nor alive, but might also be sexually aroused by elbows and peanut butter?"

Fashion promotes (directly, not indirectly):

1. Insecurity
2. Conformity
3. False Idolism

Every attrocity committed in the past has been based on supporting this or rebelling against it.

So don't defend the concept of fashion just because you don't fully understand the effect it has on the population as a whole.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

Fashion can be seen as two things: in the wider sense it is the trend of a time; in the particular it is a trend of clothing.

I wish there was not war. But it does not stop it being reality. I have the same views about fashion. I think it depends upon the scale of fashion! Comparing clothes fashions with Naziism seems a little asymetric. People naturally gather together and share common views: it is what people do. It is a problem of our society but one that is real.

So if you want to change it, ironically, to speak to English, even if you dont like the language, you nevertheless have to speak English.

""No words""

sharing common views is not a problem.

following something blindly and aginst moral standing, because "everyone else is doing it" however is.

"So Schrodinger's Cat is not only neither dead nor alive, but might also be sexually aroused by elbows and peanut butter?"

A wolf dressed in sheeps clothing is the common phrase.

I remember a fascinating story. i cannot find the link page so I'll post it when i find it. Anyway a species was found that they thought was half-man half orangutan. The sceince sommunity went mad. A paper was published in nature and I will try and find it. Anyway it was concluded that it was an abnormality and was rejected by the other orangutans although this individual was far more intelligent and one which we may have thought would be far superior.

""No words""

Sharing common views is highly different than conforming to widely accepted views.

To state with any degree of confidence that any less than 99.99 percent of the population conforms to a method of fashion because "everyone else does it" (or they rebell against what everyone else is doing, which is a form of conformity in itself) is assanine.

You would be lucky to find one person in existance for your entire life who doesn't wear what they wear because they observed it in some sort of media influence.

Hence, comparing fashion to nazism is not a stretch. The conformity people are used to on a massive scale due to popculture influences is a highly probable explanation for the lack of rebellion against the Iraq War.

It is fashionable to be patriotic, hence fashion is extremely dangerous. It creates and maintains sheep who rely on their groupings for identity rather than their own personal thought patterns.

And children learn about fashion and "cool" before they learn about morality. To escape fashion and pursue moraility unmolested is a difficult feat that everyone should attempt to do.

It is Evil.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

You can work against a problem or with the problem; I prefer the latter.

Lets just seperate cause from effect. Of course you are on the right lines with the causal connections and the reasons why people do things; although the effect of Nazism and clothes fashion is certainly asymetric.

But I have heard very wise men trying their best to communicate to those who simply do not listen their thoughts even though the reality is they are thinking much more clearly. Sometimes you need authority to say things...and authority is something earned when one fits into the society or by one who practices at least the language or the 'feel' of that society. I do not like this but it is a reality.

The same principle holds in doing a little bit of bad for the greater good. I sometimes wonder whether Britain would have stood up against Hitler as much if it had not had Churchill as a leader. There will always be leaders; there will always be sheep. The hope is that the good outnumber the bad.

For now; shout as high as you can but I assure you you will be heard more if you work with society...

Think on this...Princess Diana died on the same day as Mother Teresa but who did the vast number of people have more compassion for when in death?

I do not like it; but it is true.

As for the apeman it was a humanzee, supposed cross between human and chimapnzee. Heres the link:

http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf110/sf110p06.htm

""No words""

Your point is that there is no fallacy in what I am saying, but that communicating this logic will have little effect on the populace as a whole.

That is a different discussion, which would encompass figuring out the best method of bringing awareness into the minds of unaware people. That should be segregated from the point that fashion IS evil so that people understand that you do not dissagree that it is indeed, evil.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

True, true...this is a place for just having a good old moan and generally its the people who are defensive that seem to get here and stand there case. No worries though all good points.

The essence of fashion might be evil and I agree; but there will always be difference in nature and this, ironically, allows for there to be similarities....it is the better differences which tends for these similarities. This one, however, I kind of interupted on because of the sense of irony...to stop becoming fashionable and yet succeed you must at some point be fashionable.

I think the point is in many ways fashion is inversely proportional to indibiduality and thus freedom.

""No words""

This is important. If you think about it if individuals go back to how they are individually...they will still mould with people who are similar to themselves. The people who will dominate this group though will be the one who is strongest in a Darwinian sense. The difference though is that rather than follow artificial standards (i.e. those imposed by the society) they will be following things they individually like. Now I have no idea whether this wopuld cause chaos or harmony....But damn...there's a new philosophy of social structures there...Hmmm...Time for thinking.

""No words""

fashion to an extent is useful. laws are a sort of fashion, just one the is imposed more obviously. would you deny that they are a good thing? fashion is what created society in a way. someone started doing something one way, and others thought it was a good idea.

Fashion is not evil. in the same way that a knife is not evil. they can both do good, but they can both do evil, you just have to use common sense in your approach to both.

"So Schrodinger's Cat is not only neither dead nor alive, but might also be sexually aroused by elbows and peanut butter?"