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Why Do They Hate Us

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 61yrs • M •
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Why Do They Hate Us
This will make you angry, it might even make you cry. When you watch it DO NOT BLAME THE SOLDIERS, BLAME BUSH, HE'S THE ONE WHO DID THIS.
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Roger,
How are you? Here is a short video clip that was sent to me and it is shocking. This is the first time images like this has brought tears to my eyes. I am really lost for words but have been inspired to do more speaking out. Let me know what you think and God you and God help this country...

Chris


Democracy Hypocrisy
Iraq In The Name Of Freedom
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9174.htm




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"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."
 34yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that summit is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
I hated bush before seeing that footage and I hate him even more now. The Iraqi war is a catastrophic human disaster caused mainly by Bush. So much for representing an official "Christian" nation Bush! how evil. What do you think Jesus would have thought of this if he saw this today?!

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"The summit is just a halfway point"
 61yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that okcitykid is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
I have this posted on my blog, and I'll keep bumping it up to the top so that it's always the first entry you'll see. I'll do that until they impeach him.

Some say they won't, but I've not heard no one say they can't. I'll riot in the street if I have to.


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"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."
 35yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that etherealmeekle is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
What proof is there that all this footage is even real? And how do you know that some of the injured people weren't killed be Iraqis?

War crimes will always occur because some people enjoy hurting other people but war crimes always happen on both sides. Where are the videos that show Americans being brutalized? What of the two Americans beheaded in Iraq?

I don't condone the senseless slaughter of people, be it Americans or Iraqis. But isn't this video just a tool to force you to hate president Bush? Why do people buy into brainwashing so easily?

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"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"
 16yrs • F •
A CTL of 1 means that fireflys is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
well put etherealmeekle

i am not a fan of george bush, but i don't hate him. i hate the position he holds and what he does with his power....most of the time. i really can't stand him, but i don't hate him. you can't blame one person for this mess. remember, even though Bush gave the order to invade, it had to go through hundreds of people before it was followed through with. it isn't just his fault. hate the situation and maybe even fix the situation if you can. but don't hate the person unless it is 100% entirely their fault with no one else to be held responsible. otherwise, hate the situation and its effects.

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"Don't sweat the petty things, don't pet the sweaty things."
 31yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that St. Jimmy is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
The footage is definitely real.

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Where are the videos that show Americans being brutalized? What of the two Americans beheaded in Iraq?
Where are the videos of the innocent Iraqis shot in the streets?
Where are the videos of US soldiers torturing the prisioners in Guantanimo bay, and abu ghraib?

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Why do people buy into brainwashing so easily?


Look at fox news. Look what they show you each and every day. Terrorists using poision gas pens???
Iraq having WMD's???

Look at the national threat level, ever notice how it allways convieniently rises whenever GW's opinion polls get low?

The US government brainwashes their people too.

They're just better at it.

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"He who does not question is lost."
 35yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that etherealmeekle is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
Are you a certified video specialist St. Jimmy? Did you personally shoot the video? How can you possibly know for a fact that someone didn't take some footage and edit for their purposes?
These videos only serve to incite hatred. I don't support Bush but it is stupid to say that he is solely to blame. Besides if he really is as stupid as everyone thinks then how could he possibly run a war? Obviously he must be a puppet.
I'm not saying he is innocent but I also don't believe that the Iraqis are innocent either.
And I don't think the US brainwashing technique is better because they haven't yet been able to convince their own men to blow themselves up in public places in hopes that maybe one in ten injured will be a soldier.

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"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"
 61yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that okcitykid is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
Someone on e-thepeople said they already saw it on the news:

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That day when they showed this stuff on the news. I quess it was only being hidden from you?


If you saw the Michael Moor movie, you'll notice some clips from that. Michael Moore won an award for his documentary.

I don't know of anyway to prove that this film is true. The government puts out fake news, and you can do anything with media these days, but it looked pretty real to me, those emotions didn't look fake.

I don't hate Bush - I just don't like him. Hate is a strong emotion, and I don't feel that for anyone.

But is Mr. Bush responsible. Damn straight. He is THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF. Should this burdon be to much for him, I gladely welcome him to step down.

Yes, we have to create anger. He is guilty of a hundred missdeads, and he is not going to admit fault and volunteer to step down. With a republican congress and senate still protecting (though that is crumbling). It isn't enough to just prove him guilty, we have to force action. During Vietnam, riots got so bad people actually turned cars over in the street. I hope it does not have to get that bad.

Why does Mr. Bush have to forced out. Because we have men and women in Iraq living in hell, and they shouldn't be. Unfortunetly, they volunteered for this, and we, the American people are taking advantage of them. It is our responsibility to support them, to ensure that they are not put in harms way without just cause.

Do you want to hear what they have to say:

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Paul Reickhoff, Operation Truth
Posted 2005-06-28 17:13:00.0

http://www.optruth.org

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Will Coghlan, 212-982-9699

JUNE 28, 2005 will@optruth.org


OIF TROOPS AND VETERANS 'PRESPOND' TO PRESIDENT'S SPEECH

'We need honest answers, not pep rallies.'

NEW YORK In an early response to the President's speech this evening, Operation Truth (www.optruth.org) the nation's first and largest organization for Troops and Veterans of Operation Iraqi Freedom, released the following statement from Executive Director Paul Rieckhoff. Operation Truth is comprised of hundreds of Veterans and Troops from Operations Iraqi Freedom and Enduring Freedom, from all branches of the military, across all fifty states, Puerto Rico, and Guam.

'Tonight at Fort Bragg, in front of a backdrop of American service members, President Bush will tell the nation that victory is at hand, as long as we stay the course. Add a banner praising a job well-done and an aircraft carrier, and this all begins to seem eerily familiar.

'But the men and women of the American military have had enough of what's familiar from this administration. For us there is no alternative but to serve when called, as we have in Iraq for the past two years.

'Mr. President, this is a time for hard truths, and now that the opinion polls on the war have started to turn, you are going to Fort Bragg to make your case. Will it continue to be one version of progress from our Commander in Chief, but a very different measure from our commanders in the field? Why does your view of Iraq look so different from ours?

'We agree there is no choice but to succeed in Iraq. But, Mr. President, what is the plan to get there? We still don't know. To quote Senator Chuck Hagel, a great patriot, it seems to those of us who served in Iraq that your administration is 'making it up as they go along.'

'What is success? Tonight you will tell us Iraq is on the path to freedom and stability, but what does right look like? The CIA tells us Iraq is now a top breeding ground for terrorists. Are we killing more enemies than we're making?

'Last week, Vice President Cheney said the insurgency is in its last throes, but this week we're told to dig in for a 12-year battle. Have you asked your Secretary of Defense and Vice President to offer the Troops a straight answer?

'We don't need to be told about the political successes in Iraq, because we were there to safeguard an election one-year ago that you will certainly cite as progress. And we know that now is not a time for cheerleading.

'Mr. President, we don't need to be told that the insurgents intend to shake our will, because we've sifted through the havoc wreaked by even the crudest weapons, then watched our friends sent home, changed forever. We don't need to be told that your administration is committed to taking care of the Troops, because we've already gotten the bill you sent us for the meals we ate while recovering at Walter Reed.

'We don't need to be told that flak jackets and safer Humvees are on the way, because we've already learned that a phone-call home and a few hundred bucks is probably the quickest way to get body armor. Hundreds of Troops have been wounded or killed because of faulty vehicles or missing armor, but who has been held accountable?

'Each day we fulfill our commitment to this country, but we are still waiting for a Veteran's Administration that is properly funded and prepared to handle the consequences of this war. This past week it was revealed the VA was one billion dollars short of its health care need. Whose fault is that, and have you punished them for their failure to serve America's heroes?

'We have come a long way since the early days of tough talk and 'Mission Accomplished' banners. The body count has increased exponentially, and the rumbling of an awakening public can now be heard. But for American Troops on the ground in Iraq, little has changed. For their families back home, the sleepless nights continue. The members of the military have long agreed that the strength of our force in Iraq cannot be sustained with an all-volunteer Army and dwindling recruitment numbers. Are you prepared to tell America's parents that their children will be needed to finish the job?

'Mr. President, we need honest answers, not pep rallies.'

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"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."
 42yrs • M
A CTL of 1 means that Ironwood is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
"And I don't think the US brainwashing technique is better because they haven't yet been able to convince their own men to blow themselves up in public places in hopes that maybe one in ten injured will be a soldier"

They haven't had to, they've convinced us to allow them to bomb and invade other countries completely, and we let them blow us up in hopes we can shoot some of them.

Your talking about two totally different sets of rules on what kind of brain washing is necessary.

We're doing a better job of brainwashing them to suicide bomb then anyone else by blowing up their cities and families, and then using advanced militaries with everything against peasant armies with limited tools and lots of bombs.

And your right to clarify that Bush is not soley to blame, but generalizations will be made in cases of figureheads over complicated situations. Just like when we say "they", or the "government", we generally mean guilty parties within.

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"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
 35yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that etherealmeekle is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
But if the US government was so good at brainwashing then why is it that so many Americans hate that which its government stands for (or doesnt stand for)?

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"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"
 31yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that St. Jimmy is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
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But if the US government was so good at brainwashing then why is it that so many Americans hate that which its government stands for (or doesnt stand for)?


As of today, the US government has convinced it's own people:

-To start a war with Iraq for no reason.

-That terrorists were plotting to destroy the liberty bell.

-To volunteer to fight in the Iraq war.

-That Iraq was more of a threat than north korea.

-That AMTRAK doesn't need funding anymore.

-That we should seal off our windows, doors, etc, in case of a terrorist attack.

-That it's okay to discriminate against gay people but not blacks, hispanics, etc...

and i'm sure that there's more that i'm just not remembering right now.

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"He who does not question is lost."
 42yrs • M
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"But if the US government was so good at brainwashing then why is it that so many Americans hate that which its government stands for (or doesnt stand for)?"

"stands for (or doesnt stand for)"

See how we aren't even sure what they stand for, yet people fight for and against it.

There is another step being taken that is very important that brainwashing pushes towards, one that would create just such polarization.

A divide and conquer strategy, a form of civil war, I say sort of because many fighting will be foreigners (open borders, amnesty laws), as well as criminals because they aren't afraid to kill American citizens like our army would be.

Just the same reason its better to fight overseas, not to protect us, but to allow a greater level of dissassosiation with Iraqis, especially when insurgents dress casually, for more optimum slaughter.

And your question is very valid, from other countries and just history of a rise of tyranny, many will become aware of things amiss, but are left drowning in lies and confusion from domestic propaganda, psy-ops that the Pentagon is currently being sued over.

Bush has been noted to have doubled even Clinton's propaganda budget, and Bush isn't even on trial like Clinton was, yet.

With polarization, right and left wing bickering, arguing on points of lies and propaganda, we distract ourselves from the source, and when we do look to the source all we see is uncertainty, because of propaganda and National Security, lies and secrets.

So it comes down to either just trusting the government, or actively finding better ways to find and root out corruption.

They seem to feel the need to be doing even more spying on us citizens, that alone tells me we need to be watching them more closely as well.

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"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
[  Edited by Ironwood at   ]
 61yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that okcitykid is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
No one has mentioned the torture. Unfortunately, the media did cover that, I remember reading about it in Newsweek and Time (before the elections). It's still going on. Suspects are being arrested (there is no proof - SUSPECTS). There being held without hope of a trial, and be turtured. We are being told to find entel. If you torture someone to confess that your mother is a horror, guess what, you're going to confess that your mother is a horror, but she might really be a saint. The entel is hardly creditable.

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"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."
 35yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that etherealmeekle is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
Sending soldiers to war is no more brainwashing then telling a gas station attendant to fill up your car and wash the windows. A soldier's job is to fight, who and where they fight is up to the government but the soldiers fight because it's their job or they wouldn't be soldiers. The masses don't believe in war because people are under the impression that violence solves nothing. This is a preposterous notion violence is the most final solution to any problem but not necessarily the correct one.

We all know that North American democracy is simply elected dictators. But instead of trying to do something about it, we just sit back and pass out propaganda, we complain and we talk about how much we hate the current situation. People seem to want to start a war against war. And they are just as ready to use violence to accomplish their ends. So now how then can a group of people opposed to violence want to use violence to end it?

Why not try exercising a different kind of force? How many people who are so quick to pass out judgement on Bush would even consider doing his job? If we as individuals can do a so much then why aren't we all running for office? Sitting and discussing ideas is one thing but it isn't until we act on these ideas that we gain something. If people took a serious enough interest in running the country then the leaders would have to stay accountable or be thrown out. So if you don't plan on actively helping the situation then shut up and let people who want to fix things do it.

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"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"
 42yrs • M
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"Sending soldiers to war is no more brainwashing then telling a gas station attendant to fill up your car and wash the windows."

Not the soldiers, American citizens allowing it.

"If people took a serious enough interest in running the country then the leaders would have to stay accountable or be thrown out."

How can you keep them accountable? Beuracracy is expensive and time consuming, to the point that the people involved have to make it a career, not everyone can do that. And that is just the legal aspect, this doesn't cover corruption and the extents people in power can go to protect themselves.

And I hear quite a bit about record breaking multi million man protests, signature gatherings, and even court cases against cabinet members both from citizens and even various governmental posistions that are happening as we speak but are completely bound to secrecy as matters of National Security.

The first and best thing the average citizen can do is bitch I'm afraid, to speak and inform. To rize curiosity in those who either haven't bothered to notice important things or those who have chosen to blindly follow a biased posistion or talking head, including official declarations, especially in the face of open propaganda.

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"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
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