Do we really exist?

St Jimmy, your getting the idea of how our body functions, but you need to know that we do not have control over which chemical reactions take place. The majority of you body functions involuntary not voluntary. That is why our brain is so fascinating as it controls everything in an involuntary way.

"The summit is just a halfway point"

but do we really controll all those chemical reactions? I mean say I decide to pick up that glass- it is just a result of atoms interacting in a certain way inside my brain, probably due to me being thirsty. Now in the case that I can choose weather or not to pick up that glass and the particles move in a different way, but what moves them then? There must be some outside influence, such as the water being contaminated or even my trying to prove that I do have free will, but the fact of the matter is, our so called 'choice' is greatly reduced

"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"

Ive neva done philosopphy and im just 14, but i couldn't resist avein a say!

Firstly in ur question you said "An atom does not need any food, drink, nutrition to keep living." but right after you said "an atom is not alive"!

Anyway to answer this question you have to firstly define death, nutrition and intelligence. Death: If you think about it death doesnt exist what we call death is just cells which are made up of atoms not multiplying anymore this eventually leads to muscle failiure (heart) so in fact there is not such a thing as death its just chemistry changing its course. If body movement means life (were you dead before you were born!!) Nutrition: again you have to think differently about this you said " we need nutrition" nothing needs, nothing else in the universe nutrition isnt a need because as u said atoms dont need food to exist its just chemistry (fuel) charbohydrates from the food burn with oxygen to release heat, its something that happens because of laws of elements it is not a need. Inteligence: tough one, is a calculator intelligent? or the computer ur sitting in front of? it can certainly do many things better than ur brain. I think we are not intelligent, neither is the calculator again its just chemistry! signs of intelligence like thought, calculations and motor abilities are simply electric signals through thin tissues in you head or microchips in computers.

So the answer to you question my friend is that we dont die, we dont need nutrition and we are not intelligent may be hard accept but we are just things that go with the flow of the universe just like everything else in it.

this is just like asking what makes the person that you are. u can physically take away limbs, organs, etc and still have that person left.

yes we are made up of atoms and with those atoms we become something with great potential. a potential to think, work, love..if u believe in that.. heh.. im not sure if comparing a person to a bunch of atoms is fair since the collection of things usually amount to something greater than just 1+1.. hope that makes some sense!

For starters, atoms aren't things, they have the potential to be things when amassed with like fragments of potentiated energy.

We exist on the simple basis of all matter being the result of atoms coexisting in a single form. But in the sense of, 'Do I exist'... I'd have to say yes. Because the mind is merely the quantum signature present in the electrical pathways of the brain.

"Always give to the left, coz the right way is the wrong way."

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this is just like asking what makes the person that you are. u can physically take away limbs, organs, etc and still have that person left.

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"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"

Thanx angel of death

Ave you ever thought there might be more to us than what we see. I always say if you cant answer a question you must be missing part of the puzzle. What i mean is a sprit/soul like the feeling of existance where doese that come from? nearly all of us think we exist not because of science or matter but of feelings. We all feel that we are us as an individual regardless of body. The body is just a tool or a ride in which our soul stays in. I think we exist because if you were put in a different body you'd still be the same person in a diffrent ride. just like changing cars the driver is the same, and is what that makes the car valuble, a dead body is useless without a soul.

In a quantum sense, you're as eternal as the universe itself.

Your thought parterns, and their subsequent accumulation of quantum/electric ghosts(Your Mind), have existed throughout all time, perhaps even lent form to this universe in some way.

Of course, one human life time is hardly enough time to get to know this incredible side of your mind.

"Always give to the left, coz the right way is the wrong way."

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Your thought parterns, and their subsequent accumulation of quantum/electric ghosts(Your Mind), have existed throughout all time, perhaps even lent form to this universe in some way

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if you were put in a different body you'd still be the same person in a diffrent ride.

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"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"

angel of death

If you think personality comes from the brain and past experiences why dont you explain this, there ave been people around the world who've had an accident and totally lost their memory, right cant even remember their names. But they've lived on... started from zero again, so no past experiences but it has been found very sygnificantly that they still develop the same preferances they had before the accident like favorite food, colour, tastes in the opposite sex and ect. If you theory is right surely these people should develop new tastes right? because their past experience has changed. (by the way read it in magazine: new scientist)

well I think I llhave to try to find an article like dat one, cuz a documentary on discovery channel showed that when this happned to a women, she became completely different from what she had been. But cud u tell me the issue number etc.

ok, so what ur trying to say is that 'we', our peronality does not come from the brain, but from some sort of 'soul'?
If this were even remotely true, then it would imply that life is pre determined, as the personality of the indivdual has already been decided...

"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"

AoD,

What you see as the mind, I see as a simple... yet not, system of thought, and subsequent reverberation of of though, coupled with the reverberations of past thoughts to create an eve changing tapestry of self awareness.

In a sense, your thoughts make you act, and the subsequent 'ghosts' of those thoughts form the mind that desired that action, thus that action has meaning.

"Always give to the left, coz the right way is the wrong way."

yes, thats wat I m saying about our 'awareness' arising because of what takes place in this world. Quite simply, if you had no thoughts, you wouldn't have any feeling of 'me', i.e your peronality. Thats what you do in meditation, the first thing you learn about is 'thoughtlessness', in order for you to get in touch with your true nature. However I think 'awareness' is a wrong choice of words, rather lets just say feeling of a 'I', because when you are 'aware' of yourself, you automatically start to move into thoughtlessness

"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"

Angle of death i kno what youre trying to say. Im also a scientific person i dont believe in bullshit that i cant see either, but what im trying to say is that some basics of ones personality are pre-determined like you said (not all), its like in their DNA, for example when a baby is born wheather he/she cries a lot in the first few days or is really quiet is not up to any past experience how can it be? I read the free will thread nd u sed in there that you dont believe in free will therfore you must believe in life being pre-determined right?

Yes I agree that the basic structure of human existance is determined before hand, in DNA probably. However, regarding ur example of the baby, that is not determined before hand, as it's crying etc is obviously a result of present influences, such a it not getting milk, or being cold etc. But yes, there are some things that are inherent in the human race/DNA that are not a result of outside influences, such as emotion.

"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"