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A Great Man Passes

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 56yrs • M •
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A Great Man Passes
Pope John Paul II has passed. I offer my deepest and heartfelt condolences to all of the Christian Faith. He was a great man, devoted to his church and faith, and exhibited great wisdom and compassion during his entire papacy. The world has lost a strong proponent of freedom for all people. May he find peace and solace in the arms of his God.

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"Oops, it appears I have run over your dogma with my karma."
 37yrs • M •
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christian or not, he was a great man who helped our world in many ways. may he rest in peace.

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"A loving heart is the beginning of all knowledge. - Thomas Carlyle"
 34yrs • M •
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Meh. Though I agree he fought strongly against poverty and for peace, he represents a very Conservative reaction of the Catholic church which I am not sure I approve of at all. He also hurt the Church's credibility in some ways, some claim the Papacy was politicized by him (due to the fact he was Polish, in order to undermine atheist rule in Poland?).

So, although he was clearly a good man and did some very good things, I have some reservations.

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"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"
 53yrs • F •
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Pope John Paul II has died

Rome, Apr. 02 (CWNews.com) - Pope John Paul II (bio - news) died late on Saturday night, April 2, ending one of the longest and most influential pontificates in the history of the Catholic Church.

The Holy Father remained "extraordinarily serene" during his final illness, according to his spokesman, Joaquin Navarro-Valls. He had suffered heart failure the previous evening while being treated for an infection of his urinary tract. As his condition deteriorated rapidly during the day on Friday and then Saturday, with his body wracked by septic shock and kidney failure, the Pope remained in prayer with his closest aides, losing consciousness only late in the evening before his death.

Pope John Paul was 84 years old at the time of his death. He had been afflicted by Parkinson's disease, causing a serious curtailment of his activities, for several years. In February 2005, he was hospitalized twice for severe respiratory problems. Doctors at the Gemelli Hospital had inserted a tube in his throat to ease his breathing, and earlier this week the Vatican had disclosed that a feeding tube had also been inserted to provide him with supplementary nourishment because of his difficulty in swallowing.

The Pope's last public appearance came on Easter Sunday, when he came to the balcony of his apartment in the apostolic palace to deliver the traditional Urbi et Orbi blessing. During that public appearance the Pope was in obvious pain, and unable to speak.

In October 1978, Cardinal Karol Wojtyla of Krakow, Poland, was elected the 264th Roman Pontiff-- the youngest Pope of the 20th century and the first non-Italian to serve as leader of the Catholic world in over 400 years. He took the name John Paul II, and in a memorable first appearance as Pope, immediately won the hearts of the Roman crowd as he greeted them with the words of Jesus, which would echo throughout his 26-year pontificate: "Be not afraid!"

Only two Popes-- Blessed Pius IX, who served over 31 years, and St. Peter himself-- have held the papacy for longer than John Paul II. During his extraordinary pontificate, he became the most widely recognized man in human history, traveling to greet millions of people all around the world, and earning credit as one of the principal architects of the fall of Soviet Communism. His years in the papacy saw a series of "firsts," and an astonishing output of encyclicals, apostolic letters, and other writings.

Born in Wadowice, Poland, on May 18, 1920, Karol Wojtyla was raised primarily by his father, a military officer also named Karol, after his mother's death in 1929. When his father died in 1941, he was left alone, as a student in Krakow's Jagiellonian Unversity. During the occupation of Poland by Nazi forces in World War II, he was pressed into labor as a stonecutter, then in a chemical factory, but worked with the Polish underground and maintained an avid interest in theater.

In 1942 the young Wojtyla entered a clandestine seminary, and after the war, in 1946, he was ordained by Cardinal Adam Sapieha of Krakow. He continued his studies in Rome under the famous French Dominican, Father Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange, and earned degrees in theology and philosophy, with a dissertation on the mystical works of St. John of the Cross. He returned to Poland to teach at the Krakow seminary, while also serving as a parish priest, and forming friendships with a number of young families-- friendships that remained intact throughout his life.

At the age of just 38 he was named an auxiliary bishop of Krakow by Pope Pius XII, and in 1962 he became the city's archbishop. He was raised to the College of Cardinals by Pope Paul VI at the age of 47.

The scholarly young Polish prelate was an influential figure in the deliberations of the Second Vatican Council, taking a particularly active role in the writing of Gaudium et Spes (doc) , the dogmatic constitution on the Church and the modern world.

In August 1978, he took part in the conclave that elected Cardinal Albino Luciani of Venice to become Pope John Paul I; when that Pontiff died abruptly after just 33 days, he again entered the conclave-- to emerge as Pope John Paul II.

During visits to his native Poland, John Paul II proved to be a lightning-rod for the growing opposition to the country's Communist regime. On May 13, 1981, he was shot and severely wounded by Mehmet Ali Agca in an assassination attempt that took place immediately after a public audience in St. Peter's Square. Vatican officials immediately suspected that the leaders of the Soviet Union had authorized the attempt on the Pope's life-- a hypothesis that appears to have been confirmed by documents recently discovered in the archives of the East German secret service.

Alongside his historic role in the fall of Communism, John Paul II has also been the world's most influential defender of the dignity of human life; his memorable calls for the development of a "culture of life"-- and his parallel denunciations of the "culture of death"-- have been instrumental in rallying opposition to abortion, contraception, euthanasia, and embryonic-tissue research.

The Polish Pontiff was an ardent exponent of Christian unity, who made special efforts to reach out to other Christian churches. He was especially insistent on the need to bring together the Eastern and Western Christian traditions, saying that the Church must "breathe with both lungs."

By far the most traveled Pontiff in history, John Paul II made 104 trips outside Italy during his pontificate, as well as 146 inside the country. His long papacy saw a huge increase in the number of saints formally recognized by the Church; he beatified 1,338 people, and canonized 482. He was the author of 14 encyclicals, 15 apostolic exhortations, 11 apostolic constitutions, 45 apostolic letters, and five books that appeared during the time he served as Pope.

RIP KAROL...AKA JOHN PAUL II

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"Life is full of lemons, and the lemonade is sweet."
 53yrs • F •
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The Unbroken Line of Popes
Tracing All The Way Back To St. Peter...



It is the longest continuous line of succession on earth.
By the time that the last book of the Bible (Revelation) was written, the Catholic Church was already on its fifth Pope.
St. Irenaeus listed the first 14 Popes in "Against Heresies", 3:3:3, 180 AD


* St. Peter (32-67), Matthew 16:18
* St. Linus (67-76), 2Timothy 4:21
* St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88)
* St. Clement I (88-97), Philippians 4:3
* St. Evaristus (97-105)
* St. Alexander I (105-115)
* St. Sixtus I (115-125)
* St. Telesphorus (125-136)
* St. Hyginus (136-140)
* St. Pius I (140-155)

* St. Anicetus (155-166)
* St. Soter (166-175)
* St. Eleutherius (175-189)
* St. Victor I (189-199)
* St. Zephyrinus (199-217)
* St. Callistus I (217-22)
* St. Urban I (222-30)
* St. Pontain (230-35)
* St. Anterus (235-36)
* St. Fabian (236-50)


* St. Cornelius (251-53)
* St. Lucius I (253-54)
* St. Stephen I (254-257)
* St. Sixtus II (257-258)
* St. Dionysius (260-268)
* St. Felix I (269-274)
* St. Eutychian (275-283)
* St. Caius (283-296)
* St. Marcellinus (296-304)
* St. Marcellus I (308-309)

* St. Eusebius (April-August 309 or 310)
* St. Miltiades (311-14)
* St. Sylvester I (314-35)
* St. Marcus (January-October 336)
* St. Julius I (337-52)
* Liberius (352-66)
* St. Damasus I (366-83)
* St. Siricius (384-99)
* St. Anastasius I (399-401)
* St. Innocent I (401-17)


* St. Zosimus (417-18)
* St. Boniface I (418-22)
* St. Celestine I (422-32)
* St. Sixtus III (432-40)
* St. Leo I (the Great) (440-61)
* St. Hilarius (461-68)
* St. Simplicius (468-83)
* St. Felix III (II) (483-92)
* St. Gelasius I (492-96)
* Anastasius II (496-98)


* St. Symmachus (498-514)
* St. Hormisdas (514-23)
* St. John I (523-26)
* St. Felix IV (III) (526-30)
* Boniface II (530-32)
* John II (533-35)
* St. Agapetus I (535-36)
* St. Silverius (536-37)
* Vigilius (537-55)
* Pelagius I (556-61)


* John III (561-74)
* Benedict I (575-79)
* Pelagius II (579-90)
* St. Gregory I (the Great) (590-604)
* Sabinian (604-606)
* Boniface III (February-November 607)
* St. Boniface IV (608-15)
* St. Deusdedit (Adeodatus I) (615-18)
* Boniface V (619-25)
* Honorius I (625-38)


* Severinus (May-August 640)
* John IV (640-42)
* Theodore I (642-49)
* St. Martin I (649-55)
* St. Eugene I (655-57)
* St. Vitalian (657-72)
* Adeodatus (II) (672-76)
* Donus (676-78)
* St. Agatho (678-81)
* St. Leo II (682-83)


* St. Benedict II (684-85)
* John V (685-86)
* Conon (686-87)
* St. Sergius I (687-701)
* John VI (701-05)
* John VII (705-07)
* Sisinnius (January-February 708)
* Constantine (708-15)
* St. Gregory II (715-31)
* St. Gregory III (731-41)


* St. Zachary (741-52)
* Stephen II (March 752)
* Stephen III (752-57)
* St. Paul I (757-67)
* Stephen IV (767-72)
* Adrian I (772-95)
* St. Leo III (795-816)
* Stephen V (816-17)
* St. Paschal I (817-24)
* Eugene II (824-27)


* Valentine (August-September 827)
* Gregory IV (827-44)
* Sergius II (844-47)
* St. Leo IV (847-55)
* Benedict III (855-58)
* St. Nicholas I (the Great) (858-67)
* Adrian II (867-72)
* John VIII (872-82)
* Marinus I (882-84)
* St. Adrian III (884-85)


* Stephen VI (885-91)
* Formosus (891-96)
* Boniface VI (April 896)
* Stephen VII (896-97)
* Romanus (August-November 897)
* Theodore II (November-December 897)
* John IX (898-900)
* Benedict IV (900-03)
* Leo V (July-December 903)
* Sergius III (904-11)


* Anastasius III (911-13)
* Lando (913-14)
* John X (914-28)
* Leo VI (May-December 928)
* Stephen VIII (929-31)
* John XI (931-35)
* Leo VII (936-39)
* Stephen IX (939-42)
* Marinus II (942-46)
* Agapetus II (946-55)


* John XII (955-63)
* Leo VIII (963-64)
* Benedict V (May-June 964)
* John XIII (965-72)
* Benedict VI (973-74)
* Benedict VII (974-83)
* John XIV (983-84)
* John XV (985-96)
* Gregory V (996-99)
* Sylvester II (999-1003)


* John XVII (June-December 1003)
* John XVIII (1003-09)
* Sergius IV (1009-12)
* Benedict VIII (1012-24)
* John XIX (1024-32)
* Benedict IX (1032-45)
* Sylvester III (January-March 1045)
* Benedict IX (April-May 1045)
* Gregory VI (1045-46)
* Clement II (1046-47)


* Benedict IX (1047-48)
* Damasus II (July-August 1048)
* St. Leo IX (1049-54)
* Victor II (1055-57)
* Stephen X (1057-58)
* Nicholas II (1058-61)
* Alexander II (1061-73)
* St. Gregory VII (1073-85)
* Blessed Victor III (1086-87)
* Blessed Urban II (1088-99)


* Paschal II (1099-1118)
* Gelasius II (1118-19)
* Callistus II (1119-24)
* Honorius II (1124-30)
* Innocent II (1130-43)
* Celestine II (1143-44)
* Lucius II (1144-45)
* Blessed Eugene III (1145-53)
* Anastasius IV (1153-54)
* Adrian IV (1154-59)


* Alexander III (1159-81)
* Lucius III (1181-85)
* Urban III (1185-87)
* Gregory VIII (1187)
* Clement III (1187-91)
* Celestine III (1191-98)
* Innocent III (1198-1216)
* Honorius III (1216-27)
* Gregory IX (1227-41)
* Celestine IV (October-November 1241)


* Innocent IV (1243-54)
* Alexander IV (1254-61)
* Urban IV (1261-64)
* Clement IV (1265-68)
* Blessed Gregory X (1271-76)
* Blessed Innocent V (January-June 1276)
* Adrian V (July-August 1276)
* John XXI (1276-77)
* Nicholas III (1277-80)
* Martin IV (1281-85)


* Honorius IV (1285-87)
* Nicholas IV (1288-92)
* St. Celestine V (July-December 1294)
* Boniface VIII (1294-1303)
* Blessed Benedict XI (1303-04)
* Clement V (1305-14)
* John XXII (1316-34)
* Benedict XII (1334-42)
* Clement VI (1342-52)
* Innocent VI (1352-62)


* Blessed Urban V (1362-70)
* Gregory XI (1370-78)
* Urban VI (1378-89)
* Boniface IX (1389-1404)
* Innocent VII (1406-06)
* Gregory XII (1406-15)
* Martin V (1417-31)
* Eugene IV (1431-47)
* Nicholas V (1447-55)
* Callistus III (1445-58)


* Pius II (1458-64)
* Paul II (1464-71)
* Sixtus IV (1471-84)
* Innocent VIII (1484-92)
* Alexander VI (1492-1503)
* Pius III (September-October 1503)
* Julius II (1503-13)
* Leo X (1513-21)
* Adrian VI (1522-23)
* Clement VII (1523-34)


* Paul III (1534-49)
* Julius III (1550-55)
* Marcellus II (April 1555)
* Paul IV (1555-59)
* Pius IV (1559-65)
* St. Pius V (1566-72)
* Gregory XIII (1572-85)
* Sixtus V (1585-90)
* Urban VII (September 1590)
* Gregory XIV (1590-91)


* Innocent IX (October-November 1591)
* Clement VIII (1592-1605)
* Leo XI (April 1605)
* Paul V (1605-21)
* Gregory XV (1621-23)
* Urban VIII (1623-44)
* Innocent X (1644-55)
* Alexander VII (1655-67)
* Clement IX (1667-69)
* Clement X (1670-76)


* Blessed Innocent XI (1676-89)
* Alexander VIII (1689-91)
* Innocent XII (1691-1700)
* Clement XI (1700-21)
* Innocent XIII (1721-24)
* Benedict XIII (1724-30)
* Clement XII (1730-40)
* Benedict XIV (1740-58)
* Clement XIII (1758-69)
* Clement XIV (1769-74)


* Pius VI (1775-99)
* Pius VII (1800-23)
* Leo XII (1823-29)
* Pius VIII (1829-30)
* Gregory XVI (1831-46)
* Bl. Pius IX (1846-78)
* Leo XIII (1878-1903)
* St. Pius X (1903-14)
* Benedict XV (1914-22)
* Pius XI (1922-39)


* Pius XII (1939-58)
* Bl. John XXIII (1958-63)
* Paul VI (1963-78)
* John Paul I (August-September 1978)
* John Paul II (1978-2005)
RIP

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"Life is full of lemons, and the lemonade is sweet."
 49yrs • M •
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I agree the Pope was great indeed.
One thing that stands out to me about him was the fact that he so graciously forgave the man who tried to assassinate him, the world could learn a great lesson there.....
My only complaint about the pope was his condemnation of contraceptives.... but not being a catholic i'll leave that for the catholics to decide- I feel however that was very short sighted.

(and a question on the fistory op popes and the unbroken line on popes what happened to Novatian in the year 251? and what about the great schism- when there were two popes?)

But aside from all that He was great and has left some large shoes to fill.

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"No one ever won a war by sitting in a ditch"
 43yrs • M
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Wha, who? Never met him.

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"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
 34yrs • M •
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I R Me - Correct, there were lots of times when two Popes existed at the same time.

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"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"
 53yrs • F •
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WHEN?

Show me the time two popes resided...there was a time when one was considered heretic, so they voted on another, however the one voted in the second time stood down...
UNTIL they sorted thru the problems.

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"Life is full of lemons, and the lemonade is sweet."
 35yrs • M •
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3:3:3

^^doesn't that number seem a lil bit suspicious tho??...oh well, sorry you guys feel that bad about the passing of the pope...but he was just a good guy...what's so different about that??... there's good people all over the world...bleh..

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"Being is not knowing!"
 56yrs • M •
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Yes 730, good people all over the world, but how many of those good people held as much pure political power, and such encompassing influence as the Pope?

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"Oops, it appears I have run over your dogma with my karma."
 35yrs • M •
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:|....is that supposed to be something great??...sorry i'm impartial to all of this.....he was just another guy...a nice guy.. he died.....and since when was political power+influence a good thing??....it only puts you in a position for people to follow you!....making yourself a sort of God head...leader... when everyman has that same power.....what's the big deal?

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"Being is not knowing!"
 37yrs • M •
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the big deal is influence. how much influence have you had on the world? a lot less than him i bet.

catholic/non-catholic. good/evil. influence is still influence.

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"A loving heart is the beginning of all knowledge. - Thomas Carlyle"
 28yrs • M •
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"kirsten dunst e-mail"
 43yrs • M
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Influence is associated with the posistion, not the person, he was a figurehead, what greatness can you attribute him, he has made statements and appearances for a living.

How many of you have met or spoken with him, at a personal level for it to mean anything. Shit, you may have hated him for all you know.

Another celebrity figure for people to fawn over.

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"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
A Great Man Passes
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