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Gay Marraige, For or Against?

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Ironwood

Very good question, in politicians and specific religious people's eyes its and all important question, But should it matter, not IMO.


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thoughtmanifest

I'm sure we're hearing each other leftwood. Can "choosing to live a gay lifestyle" really "gay"?


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thoughtmanifest

I agree that it shouldn't matter whether or not it is a choice. I think, like I said in my original post, both are possible and occur.


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bmxbiker16

The only people questioning whether Homosexuality is a choice or not are people trying to rationalize their hatred.


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Ironwood

Yep, politicians pussy-footing around the issue, can't lose the gay vote, and can't lose the homophobe vote.

I love it when Bush says something like, we have to respect thier rights, and then I'm trying to AMMEND THE CONSTITUTION banning gay marriage.

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Angelfire

I think someone needs to write down what the purpose of marriage is.


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Domz0r

Is it not an action, of where two people take the ultimate commitment to each other, to show how much they love on another.
Gay or straight marriges...

same principle


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Ironwood

Ya Bush says he wants to promote marriage but make a form of marriage illegal. Curious indeed. There is no reasoning behind it other than religioun and homophobia, and this is our president, that will probably be re-elected, he doesn't care about people, he cares about himself and his beliefs, quote, "....God told me to strike Al Quaida and I struck them, and he instructed me to strike Saddam, which I did...." George W. Bush.


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Lady Tazmanian

I see no reason why marriage should be defined soley as a unity between a man and woman.


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Ironwood

For those who feel differently than LadyTaz, why do you think marriage should be exclusively between a man and a woman, personally, and how did you come to feel that way?


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allahhooah

marraige throughout history has been the joining of man and woman. I am married , and it would not be the same if i had married some dude rather than my lovely wife.I feel like allowing the gays to marry is wrong. As there is a need to formalize the gay's relationships, a new classification needs to be recognized by state and fedral governments. for example
two guys who love each other and want to be legally joined should be able to attain the status of "legal partner" or somthing similar.
Nobody has the right to condemn what gays do , as long as they follow laws like the rest of us - but a man cannot be a bride and a woman cannot be a groom.


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Decius

I think the absolutely ludicrous debate about marriage has nothing to do with semantics: die hard (and idiotically bored and unhappy) anti-gays do not want homosexuals to be legally joined.

I sincerely doubt anyone has much reason to debate whether a man and a man is considered a "marriage" as opposed to a man and a woman; it's a pointless thing to argue and has nothing to do with civil rights.

The issue is civil rights... which means, legal rights. Anyone not opposed to homoesexuals' civil rights to be joined legally and receive the same benefits that heterosexuals may acquire through marriage has no problem. Their personal opinions on what actually constitutes a marriage is their own opinion which they can debate over family bbqs.


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Ironwood

quote:
marraige throughout history has been the joining of man and woman.


And the persecution and repression of homosexuals has been around for some time now too? Is this what validates something?

Marriage has taken multiple forms, polygamy being another, and history is bound to find somewhere somewhen refuting your claim

Marriage is even a word that can be used to desribe the relationship between the wire and the fabric of the average push up bra.

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I am married , and it would not be the same if i had married some dude rather than my lovely wife.


Why?

If you weren't at least pretending to be attracted to and in love with this random dude you mentioned, he probably wouldn't have married you to begin with.

Besides the obvious, reduced genital variety, and alternative means of, or donors for, reproduction, what would be different?

Would you try to harm him rather than care for him? What exactly?


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Decius

quote:
Marriage is even a word that can be used to desribe the relationship between the wire and the fabric of the average push up bra.


Good point.


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allahhooah

Allowing same sex marriages will inevitably open a can of worms. Allowing the rights of same sex marriages will ultimately lead to the allowance of polygamy and at some point lead to the acceptance of pedophilia. What would discern the rights of these individuals compared to those that are homosexuals. The argument of who does it hurt if people wish to partake in same sex marriages holds no water if they can't allow the same rights to these other individuals. Allowing one type of sexual deviance can only lead to the allowance of these and other types. If you don't think this is possible, just look at the past and the changes that have occurred. Some crimes that used to be misdemeanors are no longer, and the same with felonies that are now considered misdemeanors. If something such as exit exams are too difficult (8th & 9th grade math and english) we attempt to solve this problem by making it easier for them instead of rectifying the real problem of them not learning. If you're a scietific type of person, than try to figure out how our species can reproduce if we were all involved in same sex relationships. It's about time the people of this country wake and realize that were headed in the wrong direction. There is too much insistance on the rights of individuals and less on what is more beneficial for this country. The lack of nationalism and religion is leading this country to implode. I have yet to find anyone who doesn't believe the founders of this country were far ahead of their time when designing the Constitution. The laws of this country were based on Judeo-Christian beliefs, as of late we have fallen away from these beliefs and wonder why it isn't as safe, why it isn't as productive, why it isn't as respected, why our children aren't even safe in our own homes or schools, etc...So, once again the American people will be fooled by the bleeding heart liberals who attempt to appease all, no matter how immoral it is, and open a can of worms that will help destroy what used to be the greatest country on this planet.
I believe that besides body parts, men and women are different in other ways in regards to the ways they are wired to work. "Normal" not gay, or un-sexually disabled men teach boys to become men. "Normal" not gay, unsexually disabled women teach girls to become women. With regards to raising children, how can a true gay male person teach a boy to be a true male or a gay female teach a girl to become a true female, if they are naturally and fudamentally sexually disabled in their wiring?
I believe gays were born this way, that is is not a choice who they were made to be attracted to. They are attracted to their own sex which is not the right way to make children. They can't make children because of the way they feel. They were made this way by nature. I also believe that besides this one flaw in their whole make-up that they are "normal" in every other way. I sincerely believe that gays are a form of "nature's" birth control. After all, gays are born of/ come from a hertosexual man and woman.
What are gays doing when they are having sex? "Pretending" to make children? An orgasm is the release of human seeds for the purpose of making children. You can show your love and commitment to someone without having sex. Gays having sex is artificial to it's purpose. What are they doing? So what are gays to do about those sexual feelings they have that don't produce what those sexual feelings were meant to accomplish?
Gays can live the family life, but the creation of that family is artificial and non-traditional. It's like calling margarine-butter and insisting it's that it IS butter. It's like putting gas in the tail-pipe of a car. We know where the parts are really supposed to go. It's like two tops together or two bottoms. They don't fit. Gays just seem to gloss over the fundamental facts like they don't matter. They want to "take" marriage in the traditional sense that wasn't meant for them. Marriage "belongs" to a man and woman. They want to "take" the "real" meaning of marriage and apply it to their artificially made family life. They want to say that nothing is wrong with them, when fundamentally there is. They are sexually disabled. Just like a car that is a "lemon" off the assembly line. You can't quite put your finger on it, and it runs, but not the way it should.
Sure I can accept gay people and their lifestyles. What bothers me though is that they want to take something, a fundamental, sacred, the basic part of life, a meaning and actions, and change it to include them. Why can't they come up with a new term and meaning that fits their lifestyle and values. The lifestyle that they want is kind of like marriage, but it's not in the basic fundamental, life creating sexual way. They are sexually disabled in that sense.
Sex was made to make children and you can't do that with your same sex. Nature made two sexes for that pupose that were made to "fit" together. The penis of a man was not meant to go up someones rear end. The rear end was meant for waste leaving the body. A vagina cannot "fit" into another vagina. Breasts were made to feed children. The sex drive, that pleasurable feeling, was put there so people of the opposite sex would be attraced to one another to have sex, to continue our species. If it didn't feel good, who would do it? What's the point?


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