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Hello from the Middle East

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bmxbiker16

Hello from the Middle East [+ favourites]

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"I may disagree with what you say, but i'll defend to the death your right to say it"
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     :   32yrs   :  
pv_emerald14

Glad you made it over there! Besides being hot what do you think of it?

Em


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     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

Sure does, baby killer.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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     :   49yrs   :  
okcitykid

I'm confused - boats don't float in sand?


"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

113 Posts / 56M
     :   42yrs   :  
cowgirl

Glad to hear that you are there and still safe. I hope that the good Lord keeps you safe so you can return home safely. I also want to thank you for being over there and keeping us here at home safe. I don't think that you military folks hear enough praise for what you are doing over there from folks here. If it weren't for you guys who knows where we would be. Keep up the good work and stay safe. Hope to hear from you again soon.


"Life is like a box of chocolate you never know what you will get!"

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     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

Choosing to walk in the middle of a crowded highway because some jackass tells me to because it's good for the country doesn't mean that I am doing anything pious.

Any threats to your life in a situation you should not have put yourself in to begin with is your own problem.

And us civilians are funding your career, so show a little more respect. I may be canadian, but I pay lots of US taxes.

Every soldier in the world has a responsibility to question his or her's superior's motives. If he or she does not, he or she is a threat to everyone.

I hope you return safely and do not do anythign that you will regret for the rest of your life.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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     :   49yrs   :  
okcitykid

Scary - be safe - be careful. Stay in touch and share what you can.

Decius - I know that you only meant it as a joke to begin with, but you don't know.

If BMX says no he may never ever get to ever vote again and a whole slew of other benifits that you and I look forward to, but he'll always have to pay taxes. Its not fair. No one ever explains it all to you until after you sign those papers, even if they did you wouldn't believe it.

This is starting to look more and more like Vietnam every day.


"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

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Decius

Are you saying the contract doesn't stipulate everything legally?

I doubt that okcitykid.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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Angelfire

On the one hand BMX wasnt conscripted so if its shit, well you signed on bucko.

On the other, thanks for doing your duty, your defending our ideals. You are out there to prove we're good decent people, don't disapoint the Iraqis.


"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

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okcitykid

quote:
Are you saying the contract doesn't stipulate everything legally?


I don't know if it may have changed, but when I joined. All the important stuff like that was on the back of your contract. They would have you sign the front of it. There's a whole lot of fine print back there that nobody bothers to tell you is there while they have you sign the front of it.

I think if BMX was there in Iraq to stop the threat of WMD from harming the states, we might see him a little differently. After Vietnam people threw bottles at us and called us names. After Desert Storm they had parades for us. I didn't think that was fair then and I don't think its fair now. BMX is not a bad person just because Bush was wrong. I believe that when BMX went it was believedl there was something to fight for, even Dumbteen wanted to go.

As a voting Democracy, collectivly, we are responsible for BMX, and if we don't want BMX in the Iraqi Desert, we need to work hard to ensure our elected officials understand our wants. Blaming BMX is a copout and I doubt you would fare any better if you were there yourself.


"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

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     :   22yrs   :  
Angelfire

Well said kid. Never blame the men in the field, they need all the support we can give them.


"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

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Decius

If a soldier does not question his superiors, he is nothing more than a hired hitman.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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Angelfire

A low-rank soldier is not made to think (out of the military context). The army is meant to be apolitical, this is obviously difficult for the high-ranking generals, but I see no reason to taint the rest of the army.

Of course there will be Abu-Ghraib type fuckups, but that's not the grunt's job to question. The grunt obeys, the general goes to the war-crimes tribunal. Discipline and obedience is a fundamental and essential part of the army, removing it will remove the army's ability to fight effectively.


"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

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Decius

Thanks for stating the obvious.

The point still remains that an unquestioning soldier is a hired killer, and should be regarded as such.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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     :   32yrs   :  
pv_emerald14

When I was on our local fire dept. I was always told that if you feel that doing something is going to put you and/or someone else in danger to question it. I don't see where the military would be much different no matter what branch you are in or dealing with. Yes to a point a lower ranked person has to obey what their superiors tell them but there is still a line where that lower ranked person should be able to say "hey wait a minute. this is going to put us in harms way and I see this as a way of getting what needs to be done done and keep up out of harms way." If I am wrong in my thinking then I am very glad that I never joined the military and feel for those who have/will.

Em


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