The Meaning of Living

The Christians wanted to convert the Romans so that the Romans would stop killing them. The catacombs were evidence to the struggle of being Christian back then.

If you study history to see how America became America, you will clearly see that it cannot be purposely duplicated. Iraq will be Iraq, either we are for it or against it. Against it will be very costly in human lives and lost resources. To think that we can Americanize Iraq is an unrealistic self righteous dream based on not what is best for Iraq but us. We being selfish. I hope I won't have to say, "I told you so."

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

If I am correct, their neighbor, Aphganistan is a democracy.

If I do not err in what I have read where Iraqi's have prayed and hoped for the americans to take control, written by Iraqi's, Then I would suppose, it is their self serving prayers being answered.

I have never lived 30 years under rule of a hateful dictator. Nor did I ever have to worry if he would send my small 8 year old child out to commit a suicide bombing. Nor take my children and make examples of them before the nation, and have them executed in public. I never did have my brother thrown into a wood chopper head first as their entire body got grinded up.
Come to think of it, I never had to observe rape committed on a female friend, because they were an object of lust for the dictator's sons. I have no idea how frightening it is to live under these conditions, so as a self serving american, I suppose I would call it empathy.

The one I have no sympathy for would be Saddam.
Sorry Okcity, but the people are happier KNOWING freedom is on the horizon. And they have that right, as human beings.

Walk a mile in another man's shoes.

"Even though is difficult, I can still dream."

The answer is not war. We had other options. Though I will admit, If that first missle launch that started the war would have gotten Saddam, Mr. Bush would be a hero. I guess it just wasn't God's will.

If you want to know what Iraqi people think - Go to Iraq.net and here it from the Iriqis themselves.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

". Nor did I ever have to worry if he would send my small 8 year old child out to commit a suicide bombing."
WTF do you have this warped view of reality or something?
Saddam is DIFFERENT from fundamentalists.
Saddam = evil secular socialist dictator
SECULAR.
He fought against Iran to contain the Islamic Revolution there.

No one doubts Saddam was evil, but for God's sake realize that there's more then one type of yellow skinned man. If you could realize that, you would see that this war has nothing to do with 9/11.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

DT, I am NOT talking about 911 either.

Or didn't you know Saddam's regime insisted small children wear bombs in this conflict?

Yes, before we took over the city, I watched day and nigth as Fox News kept all the current information on as the war started.
They were using children as young as 6 years old...who the Americans debombed in some instances.

Sorry, I heard, and watched with my own eyes. Some things you do NOT forget.

"Even though is difficult, I can still dream."

And do you think Saddam's regime is the only evil regime out there?
Don't you think America would have been better off invading N. Korea where the American presence would have been wanted, back by S. Korea and would actually serve a real purpose in regards to fighting nuclear weapons proliferation?

There are a thousand evil regimes out there in the world, Bush through benevolence picked one at random and chose Iraq?
No, I don't buy it anymore, something is up (besides the clear strategic blunder of beginning this war).

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

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No one doubts Saddam was evil, but for God's sake realize that there's more then one type of yellow skinned man. If you could realize that, you would see that this war has nothing to do with 9/11.

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"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

If small bombs were attatched to children. If we didn't threaton war then those children wouldn't be strapped with bombs, if we didn't go to war they wouldn't have to use them. What if they declared war and nobody showed up.

We have already killed more Iraqis and destroyed more property and valuables then Saddam. Saddam did it in the name of opression and we did it in the name of freedom and them people don't know the difference, they just know that they're not living a very secure life right now. Why? Is it Saddam, is it America? (no) It is because of oil. We are not the better or the greater, but only just as greedy. We had to go to war so that we could control all the oil, not the French, Russians and Germans.

Honestly - you and all other Christians who claim to follow Jesus. What do you think Jesus would say if they asked him if we should be pro war or anti war.

I think the whole reason you and other Christians support the war is because you have this picture in your head about the end of the world, and this means it is coming closer, and soon the great second coming you have hoped and lived for looks like reality. So you are optimistic and will ignore all wrong doings in support of this because of a hope you have in the future. I think that is great. But here is where I have a problem. I was fourteen years old and very much believed in the second coming. It would come before I could graduate from high school. I cried and pleaded with God and asked that he wait and give us a chance, because I didn't want to see anyone die.

Now I don't know what to believe for sure. But if I work to protect God's creations, then I am doing the will of God. Nomatter what happens, I'm not the one who will fear any judgement if there is one. Because I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing, I'm caring for what God created.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

I don't know all the stories or reasons why we are at war. And I know that I had no feelings of war against the Iraq nation until the war started. I do know that I was for war against Osama on 9/11, but the Iraq nation is not the same person.
But now that the war has been aroused, I have found things that persuade me to agree that Iraq needs to change. Suicide bombs in cars and on children are one of those reasons. Even though it was a war that we started that got the bombs on children, it is a sick and twisted mind that is putting them on the little kids.
War might not be a nice way of doing this, but I do know that some how, this crap has to stop.

"Fate is the shadow cast by the light of our choice. We can change our fate by altering that light."

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if we didn't go to war they wouldn't have to use them.

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People being stupid or Bush being so crafty.

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"Life is full of lemons, and the lemonade is sweet."

"You sit here like armchair hero's spewing how awful america is for doing this....
Hey Dumb and oK city, no disrespect, but you guys need to live a year over there under Saddam and then come back and tell the tales."
Do you think Saddam is the only evil bastard out there?
N. Korea would have been a better target, they're trying to have nukes and the people are starving over there.
Do you think Iraqis are any better off now?
Given the ongoing and increased fighting I would think not.

I wish people would stop thinking that anyone is defending Saddam or don't want to help the Iraqis. The fact is, we aren't helping them.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

Parish - Your reading things that aren't there. You're not talking about me. I never excused Saddam.

LISTEN UP. SADDAM LIVES AND THOUSANDS OF IRAQIS HAVE DIED BY THE HANDS OF THE AMERICANS.

Ok - That's facts - I haven't excused anybody.

Did I mention that Saddam is still alive.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."
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YES 911 was by Osama...and he did the financial backing. BUT what country is Bin in anyway?
Arabia kicked him out LONG ago.
Does he have fellow 'buddies' to help him orchestrate?

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"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

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but you guys need to live a year over there under Saddam and then come back and tell the tales.

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"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

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As for the website of Iraqi's....must be the affluent who can afford the systems and computers who are chatting with you...or something.

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"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."