Homosexual Marriage

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homosexual marriages: yes or no?

Honestly, there should be no state marriages. But only shared property agreements (which take into account children in particular) which can include as many people as needed.
This way, religion is kept out of the state, and people are still able to practice whatever kind of marriage they want (whether it be mono or polygamous).

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homosexual marriages - yes

i like your idea DT, im sure there are flaws/kinks tho... but i cant think of any at the moment

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Great point, DumbTeen, I agree that religion should be kept out of government all together.
As for the not letting homosexual couples raising kids, why not? Can you say that homosexual parents would not provide a loving family environment? Can you say that a homosexual couple would not be able to take care of a child financially? Can you say that it wouldn't help the world to reduce the kids in orphanages, as many gay couples would adopt? Or are you just taking the stereotypical view that "all homosexuals are perverts and paedophiles"? Do you personally know any gay people, MiA?

"but the child these people will raise probably won't be ok
because in the world around this little kid everyone lives in a normal family and kids would make fun of him(her
he(she) won't understand why everyone has a mon and dad and he/she has two fathers(mothers) "
Seems true.

"it's much better when a child has a family with two parents of different sex"
But ultimately we have no idea. I think a study on the issue would be best. The study would try to figure out if children raised by (blatant) gays in the last 20 years have had succesful futures. Things to check would be sexual orientation, mental stability, "happines", job pay, education, family etc..

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I don't see any issue with kids being raised by homosexual parents, male or female. In any relationship one person assumes the position of "the man" and the other assumes the position of "the woman" regardless of who has what underneath their pants.

I don't see how having a specifically female or male figure would alter this. Of course, males and females have instinctual differences, but I don't think these present themselves as readily to kids as they might to a partner.

Marriages are a non-issue... but the kids thing is a little more tricky because we have no knowledge of the outcome of this. However, preventing legally gay couples from adopting is a form of "Parental Control", and I think if we are to actually legalize the process of having kids, there are many other types of "biologically sound" couples that should be analyzed before you analyze a safe, loving gay couple.

We can all agree there are far worse people out there having and raising kids than a gay couple, so why are we even worried about stopping them from adopting when there are parents out there that drink, that cheat, that neglect, and so on. In fact, the only reason we have any say in the matter is that they are not biologically able to have kids independant of the government.

To stop them from having kids, therefore, is opportunistic of us and should not be done.

MIA: In response to two of your points - Firstly, kids would not make fun of a child raised in a gay marriage if it wasn't something tabooed to begin with. Regardless, in time things like these die down, but the change has to be made sometime. I don't even fully think it would be that big of an issue if teachers were responsible about educating kids about the social acceptance of same sex marriages.

Secondly, the only logical way people will "become" gay if raised in a homosexual marriage is if being gay is a choice, which it is NOT. And to further this point, if the sexuality of your parents influences your sexual preference so much, there would not be gay people since the beggining of time, being as gay people were lynched in most societies hundreds of years ago.

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Though there are many hetero couples who are bad child raisers, the potential issue isthe possibility that on average homo couples are much worse. It needs to be researched, but I can imagine it could be difficult.
I mean, can you imagine a child trying to explain to his friends he has two dads?
Oh, and don't think one "plays" the mom, I've spoken to gays and it very often is not like that.

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I live in Vancouver. Whether or not you are aware, this is the gay capital of the North. I not only have spoken to gay people, i have numerous gay friends and have gone to numerous gay clubs.

Someone always plays the mom, apparent or not.

And the "possibility" or "potential" of homosexual couples raising dissrupted kids preventing them from raising kids is like saying black people should not raise white kids because their friends will make fun of them, and it's never been done, and it's "potentially" harmful. I mean, god damn! Won't the kid wonder why his parents are darker than he is?

It's ludicrous to prevent loving people from raising kids based on the "possibility" of miss-hap. That's guilty before innocent, and the government should have no say in the matter.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

Skin colour does not influence a child's phychologically significantly. However, a child NEEDS a mother and NEEDS a father, divorce does lead to disfunctional families.
Besides, honestly, people are VERY anti-gay right now and I'd hate to see miserable, teased children just because they've got 2 dads.
Like all new things, it should be checked out first.

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Skin colour is as influencial as sexuality according to me. It encompasses not only who you are, but your history, your culture, your political views, religion, your friends, everything. That it does not psychologically affect a child is also an illegitimate statement.

Divorce could lead to dysfunctional children because of many factors (loss of income, less "parents" around) which could have very little to do with having a MOTHER and a FATHER.

People are not anti-gay. It's pop-culture to be gay now. Elton John is gay, Ian McKellan (arguably the reason XMEN and LORD OF THE RINGS is as popular as it is) is gay, Will and Grace (one of the most popular shows on NBC) is saturated with gay people, Queer as Folk (Showcase) is one of their most popular shows.

Perhaps small "farts" of populace is anti-gay because it is cool to be anti-gay, but in the real world there is absolutely no criticism of gay people. It is as likely to find an anti-gay person as a racist.

But the small farts of racists don't prevent black people from raising kids, do they?

It's like because people are given the opportunity to decide whether gay people should have kids or not they think it is their right to spout out semi-intellectual reasons why it isn't right. I'm sure people would do the same thing if we were examining a law barring black people from raising white kids.

MIA: Agreed, "some" people are anti-gay but it is always because it is something new. Parents need to educate kids and teachers need to educate kids. There are so many ways of educating people that would be better use of orphanage money spent on kids that could have loving homes right now.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

i know there have been studies to see if children raised in families with gay parents are more likely to be gay. the results were that they are no more likely to be gay than any other child in a family with a mother and father.
as long as parents teach their kids tolerance, they will end up equally well off IMO. as far as the kids being successful or mentally unstable, i dont know of any research for this, but it seems a bit pointless. the idea of gay people raising children does still seem "iffy" to me, but i think its mostly due to society's influence on me. if being gay is a choice, ill have to rethink my opinion

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Bush isn't having all this anti-gay marriage rhetoric for nothing. The American people as a whole may believe gays have a right to be gay, but they do not think that gays have the right to be before God, married with children.
People are progay but only so far IMO, they may as well be anti gay.

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In America? Mainly because they're the descendants of religious fanatics and so tend to be fairly pious themselves.

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You're right MiA, everything comes down to God and religion. However, not just any God, but the apparently "ONE AND ONLY" Christian God. Hence my reasoning that religion should be kept out of all matters of government whatsoever.

Now, all this about gay couples destroying children (I may be exaggerating with "destroying" but that's what it boild down to, mentally and sexuality-wise), this is all crap. That a child with two fathers or two mothers would come out "wrong" is stupidity. So is the "fact" that a child NEEDS a mother AND a father. What about children raised by only one parent? Do they come out lacking something or "wrong" because they are missing a parent?

Then there is the whole "homosexuality is a choice" thing. Here's a hypothetical question: Why do you like the opposite sex (if you are heterosexual, of course)? Do you choose to? No. You are "wired" (forgive me for using such an un-scientific term) to. It is the way that animals breed, and if animals didn't like the opposite sex, they wouldn't breed at all. Why do you asume that a homosexual would choose to like men (or women, sex permitting)? Is it for the minority status? Is it for the "shame" placed upon homosexuality by a self-righteous society and pompous know-it-all religions? What kind of half intelligent human being would choose that? Not me, that is for sure.

Children from divorced families come out messed up more often then stable families.
Now, I DONT KNOW if homo-raised children would turn out alright, however, with this doubt, it should be researched IMO.

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