Gay Bishop??

I like how if a kid has a disability then people say god made him that way. Or if couple break up someone would say, well god has a plan for you. Yet if someone is gay, then well, they are sinners. Hmm.

"If the opposite of Pro is Con, then is the opposite of Progress, Congress?"

Dug, ok, well, my arguement was that "God" has stated in "His" "holy" book that it is wrong for Gays to be gay, so blame him. Sounds hipocritical, but it is factual.

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People keep comparing two things that are completely different. Being gay is a choice, and until you give me some good evidence that it's not, it's wrong. Disabilty is something that ISN'T a choice. So stop comparing things that aren't related.

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"I like how if a kid has a disability then people say god made him that way. Or if couple break up someone would say, well god has a plan for you. Yet if someone is gay, then well, they are sinners. Hmm."

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"People keep comparing two things that are completely different. Being gay is a choice, and until you give me some good evidence that it's not, it's wrong."
I make the assumption being attracted to women has as much "choice" then being attracted to men.
The gay has the choice of suppressing the attraction, yes, but I see no reason to discard their freedom.

Besides, it has not been proven being gay is BAD as far as I know.

"AIDS is God's way of sending Catholics to heaven."

OH but doesn't god have a plan for all of us?

Oh, wesdawg, I wasn't mocking anyone, I just through that in there to see if it would change the way people think.

"If the opposite of Pro is Con, then is the opposite of Progress, Congress?"

Dug, I know, I'm not saying that you were mocking anyone.

I just feel that it is ridiculus that people think that they can follow the bible and not follow the bible? Why if by its standards being gay is forbiddin, would anyone presume to make a priest gay????? Doesn't make any sense to me??

"I'd like to say something profound....."SOMETHING PROFOUND""

The Bibles justified a lot of evil things in history, slavery, the crusades, persecution of the jews, and of course prejudice against gays. How can loving someone be said to be evil, i'm gay myself and I i'm an entirely benevalent person with a good set of principles and ethical framework. And if a person truly believes that gays are evil because an ancient book based on folklaw of the time says it is so, then they must also accept that the world is 7 thousand years old and created in as many days. Our own moral autonomy should determine what is right or wrong, not an outdated and essentially flawed historical text.

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You have a very good point Tangy-orange, my arguement is still this. If I was a follower of the bible, which I am not, then I would be basing my entire belief on what "God" says is the right thing to do. So if "His" book slavery is 'ok', then thats what I would follow, if being gay is said to be a sin, then I would live my life accordingly.

Where do you draw the line? Murder?

Is capital punishment 'ok' because an organized government says its 'ok'? I don't think so. An eye for an eye dosen't give the government a right to murder; if you follow the bible.

My big problem here is when do you say, "ok, we've made our quota of exceptions"?

"I'd like to say something profound....."SOMETHING PROFOUND""

Okay, here's my say:
As for those of you who believe being gay is a choice and want proof before believing otherwise, let me ask you. Why are you attracted to the opposite sex? Did you say "I want to be attracted to girls/boys" at any point in your life, or were you just attracted to them? Same goes for gay people. They just ARE attracted to people of the same sex.
Back to the gay bishop. Why he wants to follow that religion is beyond me, however it is his choice. The bible does say, in Leviticus, that homosexuality is punishable by death. I definately do not agree with this, and am not religious. I am just stating the facts.
Standing apart from all of my social and moral viewpoints, if someone does not follow the prescribed moral rules of a religion, or if that person is something that a religion says is wrong to be, then that person should not be put into a position of power within that religion. It is against that particilar religions' views.
People may argue that it is good to have a gay bishop, however it goes against that religion and its "teachings".
Personally, religion seems more of a hassle than it is worth.

Leviticus is full of bull (even more o then most of the OT).
According to Leviticus zoophily is punishable by death (for man AND animal), wearing two different kinds of cloth at once is criminal and 2 different herds of animals cannot mix.
So, christians rarely refer to Leviticus for their laws, I'm pretty sure Christ had a say in the matter but I can't remember..

"Personally, religion seems more of a hassle than it is worth."
Yep, I think so too. Or at least, I try to not get too involved in debates of strictly religious nature. As disagreements tend to have roots in personal values or the interpretation of arbitrary scipts.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

I agree with you about the bull thats in Leviticus D.T., and Deletion...AMEN! he he he! I do believe that gays are born that way too,but still think that they shouldn't be allowed to be in ANY position in a christian church. IMO

"I'd like to say something profound....."SOMETHING PROFOUND""

As I said before, I do not think that anyone who does not prescribe to the laws of a religion should be allowed in a position of power within that religion, however, this is where it gets more difficult. There are laws against discrimination. NOT letting a person into a religion/club etc due to race, sex, sexuality etc is discrimination. Therefore, I don't think religions should be allowed to exist unless they accept all people. The government takes the moral high-ground saying that they are against discrimination, yet they allow for the existance of respected groups and churches that are the worst offenders.
Hurrah for hypocitical governments.

This is an issue for believers only. I doubt atheists or any person of a different faith can really understand the issue. And ultimately, I'm not sure its worth worrying about.

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