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What does it mean there are Four Dimensions? - Page 2

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 41yrs • F •
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Demensions are a way to describe the universe around us. i think it's possible that we haven't found all of them and might not find all of them

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 68yrs • M •
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http//:home.earthlink.net/~clayturtle/psi.html
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During the Columbia narration, the narrator did state that an mportant aspect was the change in velocity .
Thinking , acceleration is the rate of change in velocity. As One could see just as the shuttle is accelerated toward the earth then it must be decelerated by a acceleration factor?


Science sought (seeks) to define the world into elements which it defines. As the webpage states the aspects of element relates to the nature of the study which defines the elements.
In today's society I find the Holy Grail, Relativity with the expression E=MC2 to limit our understanding as we become to focused on it. To understand the aspects of space one may need to go beyond that limitation.


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 68yrs • M •
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My point exactly Dude, there are more than 4 dimensions.
Also if as they say the electromagnetic spectrum provides that all things can be (are) associated to a frequency range in that spectrum then would not it also have to provide for demension as well? Therefore portions of the spectrum must form a dimensional progression as well.
refered pages
http://www.captaincynic.com/thread.php3/thrdid=20300-u-page=0#22170
http://www.captaincynic.com/thread.php3/thrdid=23332-u-frmid=12

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 68yrs • M •
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Naming the Sacred
Considerations of the universe and its construction lead to the foundation of science.
Based upon rigorous measurements and the discipline of logical forms, known as Math to produce the scientific method.
In a sense, Math is the language used to communicate between these various technologies.
To effectively understand and communicate one needs to build & define a vocabulary
and its rules of structure as you would any language.
One then begins to understand that the form of an equation is generally a simple function with sets of parameters that conform to the desired equation. As logic defines strict rules by which associate Math operations are transformed into the Laws of Nature , that we use to define our perception of the world. Unfortunately, we often use the term to define our conception without understanding the mathematical perception defined. The nature of the mathematical entity is defined by its parameters, usually given in the form of identity traits.
So about now you're saying to yourself 'what is he talking about?'

To emphasize the point, for Inktomi to name things implies knowledge of them. One must be able to define characteristics in order to differentiate between things.
The example is designed to emphasize the differences between the process of (multiplication) repetitive addition of a linear measurement and the product of linear measurements of the algebraic form used to define physical parameters.
Example: The Olde Man-Wizard is a strange old coot with rather eccentric ways of doing things. He decides construct a form of a cube from a frame of wire. His plan is to construct two squares then attach the squares at each corner to form a cube which he will then cover with plastic. The exact length of 2 meters is required for his purpose.

Section (a) an arithmetic progression as implied by its' parameters; is defined by the usage of the linear function to establish the length & number (of lengths) of the edges that form the cube.
While the geometric progression is implied by Sections (b) & (c) is defined by the usage of the geometric function to establish the area & volume respectively of the cube.

a) how many linear meters of wire are needed to form the frame?
b) how many square meters of plastic is needed to cover the frame?
c) how many cubic meters of Helium are needed to fill the frame?

What is the buoyancy force of the cube at STP?
(Standard Temperature & Pressure)
Example: Standard Temperature & Pressure are stipulated because values of the parameter given varies in relation to other parameters. The buoyancy force would be the difference between weight of the air and the weight of the helium that it would displace.
This section describes parameters that are dependent upon values not normally associated to or considered as linear measures.

As logic defines strict rules by which the associated Math operations are transformed into the Laws of Nature , that we use to define our perception of the world. Unfortunately, we often use the term to define our conception without understanding the mathematical perception defined. The nature of the mathematical entity is defined by its parameters, usually given in the form of identity traits.
The nature of the mathematical entity given in the form of identity traits does not imply the possibility of misconception relating a mathematical model's form relative to the nature world.
Example: "Just what do you mean, 'there are 4 dimensions'?
The metric system has set standards for measurements.
The Old Standard of length, a meter was defined by a metal rod at STP.
Do you mean you perceive a 3 dimensional matrix (space) & a continuum (time) as 4 dimensions? "Similarly, tubes show that expansion & contraction is a linear function in three dimensions. Which is to say that as the value of 'T' changed not only the length of the rod but so is the diameter defined by the function. Which would support 3 dimensional space but 'T' defines temperature, not time"
So what definition defines this thing called 'dimension'?

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 47yrs • M •
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So in regards to dimensions, there are now p brane super gravity theories that talk of 10 or 11 dimensions that are phenomenally small, can such a thing be proved? Can you even prove that time exists seeing as its a human measure, or that the space all around you is 3 dimensional, seeing as you cant even touch it, and any diagram does not capture its true nature.

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 68yrs • M •
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in regards to dimensions, there are now p brane super gravity theories that talk of 10 or 11 dimensions that are phenomenally small
Uncertain as to the Pea brain theories or the 10 or 11 dimensions . . . so how small are they suppose to be? Relatively speaking although the eletron orbitals are what give 3-dimensional space its volume, so is its space truely small being that space composes our space, matter & energy?

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 49yrs • M •
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the biggest problem people have with high dimension universe theories is their inability to see them... I propose that people understand that the word dimension can easily be replaced with the word property and therefore unlock "names" for the dimensions. Heidth, width, breadth, time( not being a constant but flexible based on the interactions of other dimensions), gravity ( possibly two dimensions Greater and Lesser, depending on the interactions of the other dimensions.) mass ( having a great influence on gravity and being influenced greatly by speed), speed ( relative)(impacts mass and time), electromagnatism (although the impacts are mostly on gravity there are lesser impacts im sure i do not understand).I have listed nine possible definitions for dimensions which do not have to be tightly curled in on themselves however the 11th had eluded me for some time but i recently thought that possibly the 11th might be simply called phase. Most of the universe is the space that is in between the small amount of matter that does exist. If phase were one of the dimensions were simply the way all of the other dimensions were kept in sinc. so that....say light would not simply pass in between the atoms of matter... a constant lets just say that binds all of the others to create reality as we know it.... but hey this too may be a lesser and greater force(11).... what do you think

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 68yrs • M •
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huh . . ya , I think ?
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Most of the universe is the space that is in between the small amount of matter that does exist. If phase were one of the dimensions were simply the way all of the other dimensions were kept in sinc. so that....say light would not simply pass in between the atoms of matter... a constant lets just say that binds all of the others to create reality as we know it.... but hey this too may be a lesser and greater force(11).... what do you think
I 'm not sure I comprehend what you are saying?
On one hand you have electicity and magnetic theory which states a relative phase relationship for fields?
On th other hand you have elctro-magnetic spectrum theory which states that radiation is continious and the fequency range of the radiation (particle) corsponds to what interaction can take place?

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 47yrs • M •
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then where do shapes fit into the picture surely some shapes have more dimensions than others especially from the standpoint of the person viewing it if i look at a pc tower it has 6 flat sides i can only see two sides unless i am on a certain angle and can then see three, but space as in a void isnt identical to any shape i can think of so how can you attribute any dimension to it apart from omnidimensional.

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 68yrs • M •
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Just look at crystilline structure & how the form is within the (cut) form of the gem crystalline structure?
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space as in a void isnt identical to any shape i can think of so how can you attribute any dimension to it apart from omnidimensional.
A good point which extends to inertial mass & gravity as well. The inertial mass has an omnidirectional force , gravity but the line of force is directed in one dimension toward the center.

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 31yrs • M •
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Didn't read anything but the first post, so sorry if I'm repeating something...

We exist in the forth "spatial" dimension. 1 of time, and 3 of depth.

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 68yrs • M •
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So time is the first dimension with a relative value of zero?
Space having the values of 1,2,3 and time the value of 0, as space forms a geometrical progression?
So what i am asking is 'if dimension limited to spatical dimensions then time is not a dimension but an element of the continium? So are light, heat, pressure, etc. but if time is a dimension then are not the others as well?
Just the thought of scientist of today?
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News Published online: 08 October 2004;
By Philip Ball
Including cause-and-effect in equations produces 4-dimensional space-time.

http://www.nature.com/news/2004/041004/full/041004-17.html
How to build the Universe
Is causality an inherent and necessary characteristic of the Universe, or just an illusion produced by the way our brains interpret the world?
It's real, say physicists, who believe they have worked out how the Universe is constructed from the tiniest building-blocks of space-time.
The finding could also help the development of a theory of quantum gravity, which would marry the two currently estranged physical theories of the Universe: quantum theory and relativity.
Quantum theory describes the Universe at the tiniest possible scale - about 10-35 metres (about 1020 times smaller than the radius of a proton). It predicts that on this scale the apparently smooth fabric of space and time must degenerate into a kind of 'foam' in which connections between different points are constantly appearing and vanishing.
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Tiling together tiny triangles of space-time gave rise to a universe that looks just like our own.

Construction work
Renate Loll of Utrecht University in the Netherlands and her co-workers have now found a way to assemble the pieces so that they inevitably produce a four-dimensional Universe. Instead of assuming that all tilings are allowed, they impose two constraints.
First, the theory of relativity must apply within each individual tile (so that nothing can travel through it faster than light) and second, the assembly must preserve causality. This means that a piece of space-time cannot be constructed in such a way that an 'event' - some change in the Universe - precedes its cause.
When they enforced these criteria on their calculations, the researchers ended up with universes with three spatial dimensions and one time dimension - just like our own1.
It was "like magic", says Loll.
Even more startling, they found that typical universes generated this way started off small and got bigger - they expanded, just like the real Universe has done since the big bang. This was completely unexpected - there was nothing in the tiling rules that seemed to demand it. "We're completely stunned," says Loll.
She admits that there's no a priori reason to demand that quantum space-time has to observe causality: the researchers put it into their equations by hand. But that, it seems, is the only way to end up with a realistic Universe.

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 68yrs • M •
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Webster's New World Science Dictionary
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quantum number: In Physics, one of a set of four numbers [values] that uniquely characterize an =>electron & its state in the =>atom.
The principle quantum # n defines the main electron shell;
the orbital quantum # L relates to angular momentum;
magnetic quantum # m describes the energies of electrons in a magnetic field;
spin quantum # gives the direction of [rotation] spin of the electron. [Maxwell's screw ]


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Maxwell (symbol: Max) c.g.s. unit of magnetic flux (the strength of a =>magnetic field in an area multiplied by an area (the area squared) It is now replaced by the S.I. unit, weber (1 maxwell = 108 weber)
The maxwell is a very small unit; equal to the flux through 1 square centimeter normal to a magnetic field with the intensity of 1 gauss.

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Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution: In Physics, a statistical equation;
describing the distribution of velocities among the molecules of a gas.
One distribution: n = Ne (-E/RT);
where n = the # of molecules with energy (in excess) > of E, & N = total # of molecules, T = absolute temperature (*k) degree kelvin, R => universal. gas constant and e => exponential constant ?

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Maxwell's screw rule: In Physics, a rule formulated by Scottish Physicist James Maxwell that predicts the direction of the magnetic field produced around a wire carrying electric current.
States that if a right handed screw is turned so as to move forward in the same direction as the current (flow), this direction of rotation gives the direction of the magnetic field.

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Fleming's rules: Memory aids used to recall, the relative directions of the magnetic field, current & motion in a electric generator or motor, using the fingers.
The three directions are represented by the thumb (the motion), forefinger (the field) & the second finger
(the current); all held at right angles to each other.
The right hand is used for generators and the left hand for motors.
These rules were devised by English Physicist, John Fleming


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 68yrs • M •
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The spin quantum #, isn't just positive or negative direction of the electron but indicates (establishes?) phase relationship of the atom to the molecule. Which is relative to its form & function within the body.
http://home.earthlink.net/~clayturtle/peri.html

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 36yrs • M •
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"as i see it the only "variable" in the equation is THOUGHT. you are capable of changing this and this alone."
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