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American warmongers

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25 Posts / 64M
     :   21yrs   :  
melon_gibson

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From what I see on the internet and in the news the Americans (generally) are gun slinging cowboys, who really enjoy a war. Lets just all look at vietnam and how much of a joke it was. How about the mess of the last war in Iraq which was a waste of time. Even this war isn't over yet, and I don't think they'll ever find Saddam. Oh yeah and remember that guy Bin Laden, why does'nt America finish these things. I know Britain has also been involved and I would like to know what George Bush has got over Tony Blair. I'm not anti-American but your government can't expect other countries to be exactly like you. I know some people won't agree with what I've said and you may say 'he's just a kid' and I say I can probably think clearer than corrupted adults. PLease give me your opinions on this.Don't take me too seriously!


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3 Posts / 64M
     :   21yrs   :  
sleepykitten

I agree, Im not exactly anti-american but I think Bush is like a bull in a china shop, and if the war is to help the Iraqi people and fight for civil rights why don't they go to Libiya,cos the civil rights are practically unexistant there, also if theyre looking for injustice and nuclear weapons well hey theres always Israel.


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25 Posts / 64M
     :   21yrs   :  
melon_gibson

Hell, If the americans are looking for nuclear weapons they're gonna take a bloody long time. What countries dont have them these days. All these silly excuses to create wars. Hello! who has the most nuclear weapons of all AMERICA. When are they gonna attack themselves. Or Russia or Britain. The list goes on.


"Live by the sword die by the sword"

3 Posts / 64M
     :   21yrs   :  
sleepykitten

hell yeah!


"have a cake"

286 Posts / 68M
     :   31yrs   :  
Kookiekruncher

That's why you have freedom of speech ...from previous wars.

Unlike Sadaam's ruling..........get thrown in prison for looking the wrong way.or thinking differently.

I am glad we can express our opinion and go about our business


"Treat everyone as you would want to be treated"

113 Posts / 64M
     :   22yrs   :  
shadowcult

Kookie raises a good point without “warmongers” like me, you people wouldn’t have the right to post this crap now would you. It’s a fact rights come from war.

Also I really don’t understand why people like me are called “warmongers”, and the people that cause public hazards and start fights in the street are called “piece activists”.

Make since??? LoL ya got you there right.


"Emotions are for the weak minded, so cry me a river build a bridge and get over it."

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2811 Posts / 89M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

Shadow: Neither you or kookie make a valid point.

Wars do not lead to free speech.

Your first fallacy is you are grouping all "wars" into one category. There are many types of wars, but the two main ones are imperialistic ones, and defensive ones.

Imperialistic wars do NOT promote freedom. In fact, they are made up of the same stuff that Saddam is made out of.

Defensive wars are wars like World War 2... where your personal freedom is affected by someone or some country that initiates an "Imperialistic" war.

The point is that this war is not a defensive one. There is absolutely no factual logic behind this being a defensive war.

1. Saddam has not been linked to terrorists. In fact, Saddam's regime is deathly opposed to Osama...and they are in fact bitter enemies. Therefore, Iraq is not a terrorist threat.

2. Saddam has no chemical or nuclear weapons. If he had any, he would have used them on American soldiers because...well, he is a "bastard", which is one of the reasons you "Warmongers" say he should be taken out. A bastard would use any means possible to eradicate his enemies, which include chemical weapons. THe fact that he hasn't used any certifies that he in fact has none. This means that he is not a nuclear threat.

3. Even if Saddam did have nuclear or chemical weapons, that does not justify invading Iraq. North Korea has weapons, India has weapons, Pakistan has weapons, France has weapons....the list goes on and on. A majority of these countries hold absolutely no alliegance to USA, which makes them as much a threat as Iraq. Therefore if this is a "defensive" war, then the true extension of this would be global domination. And global domination is actually "Imperialism". Therefore, this war isn't about removing nuclear threats to USA, because if it was then Iraq would be one of the many countries on the globe to attack. And if you condone world war 3, which encompasses USA conquering the globe, then I believe you are chemically imbalanced.

Therefore, the facade of us attacking Iraq for "defensive" reasons is completely false.

And the only other types of wars are Imperialistic ones.

Therefore, you are supporting an imperialistic war, which makes you "the dark side" of Star Wars.

Note: In case you didn't know, the "dark" side of the force's soldiers were called "Imperials".

Nazis were attempting to be imperialistic, as were the Japanese. Romans were imperialistic, Greeks were Imperialistic, even Muslims were imperialistic. Imperial nations have always ended up collapsing. That's the way it has always been. There is no Roman empire, there is no Greek empire, there is no Nazi empire, there is no Japanese empire, and there will be no American empire.

Yall gotta stop looking at people like me as attackers and see that it really has little to do with emotion or intent.

The facts point to a complete falseness in this war. That's the fact.


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25 Posts / 64M
     :   21yrs   :  
melon_gibson

I hav to say that kookie and shadow sound kind of silly in there sad explanation of a reason to have a war. Your saying It's best to have a war and kill lots of people so we can create a better world without fear. That makes no sense, If a war doesnt create fear then what the hell does. If you have a better explanation for having wars please let me know.


"Live by the sword die by the sword"

113 Posts / 64M
     :   22yrs   :  
shadowcult

Putting aside “holy wars” all wars are made in the intent of progress. Holy wars are just stupid anyway, cuz they’re really just fighting over the same idea. LoL

Melon it is a weird combination but you have to realize that people are aggressive and power corrupts, and since nobody looks at the past anymore we have to do the same thing over and over again to get progress and that’s war. I’d love it if we could find another way but we didn’t, in like 11 years of waiting we didn’t.


"Emotions are for the weak minded, so cry me a river build a bridge and get over it."

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2811 Posts / 89M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

I'd like it if you guys read my post and replied to it because it makes a lot of sense to me, and I want to know if anyone sees anything illogical in it.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

286 Posts / 68M
     :   31yrs   :  
Kookiekruncher

This is why we have discussions..........it is called freedom of speech. Everyone has their opinion and that's great because no two minds think alike.

I myself think there are no weapons of mass destruction or they would have found them within the first week. But then I wonder why make nerve gas? What is the purpose unless your going to kill a lot of people.

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Al-Ani was involved in Iraq's development of the nerve agent VX, one of the world's deadliest chemical weapons — and a substance that is difficult to make. He once headed the research and development program at Iraq's Muthanna State Establishment, a key chemical weapons laboratory, and later headed Iraq's Fallujah 2 chemical weapons plant.

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25 Posts / 64M
     :   21yrs   :  
melon_gibson

Kookie-what makes you think that americans, British and Russians can make nuclear/chemical weapons but the iraqi's shouldn't? The west make much worse weapons than nerve gas.
Decius-I agree with your point,although the Americans look like they have good intentions, They are trying to play God and everyone knows that can be dangerous.


"Live by the sword die by the sword"

286 Posts / 68M
     :   31yrs   :  
Kookiekruncher

Melon- I don't think anyone makes nerve gas to destroy it's own people like Iraq did. Thousands were killed. women and children and for what?

Myself I think something of this toxic nature should not be made by anyone, the US included. There is nothing wrong with the old fashioned ammo


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2811 Posts / 89M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

kookie: good point, no one should make it...but the Americans do. So it's hiphochritical to condemn Iraq.

Also, Americans have used their weapons and hurt Americans. In the 40s and 50s they purposely released radioactive fallout into special pockets of civilization without their knowledge to study the effect of radiation on humans.

Whether or not Saddam has done this, I do not know. But he does not gas his own people. He gassed the Kurds who were northern enemies and southern rebels, as well as Iranians, in most cases actually encouraged and permitted by Americans.


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113 Posts / 64M
     :   22yrs   :  
shadowcult

Saddam has terrorized not just other nations, but his own, that is despicable.

Just because, as you say saddam only dose this stuff to his enemies, dose it matter I have seen that shit I wouldn’t wish it on my enemy, doesn’t justify its use!!!!!


"Emotions are for the weak minded, so cry me a river build a bridge and get over it."

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