If there's a god, why is there evil?

Angel, I found this post from you recently

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Anyway, don't you think that we already know that killing someone, abusing, stealing is wrong? I definately won't start stealing if I stop beleiving in God, and even if I do decide to, the poilce is strong enough to handle me. People knew what is bad and good way before religion, religion just forced people to refrain from wrongdoings.

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""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

PeteSmith: I like your method of discussion.

That quote does indeed contradict what Angel stated in this thread however I do feel that the quote you posted above is not being absorbed as it was meant to be communicated.

I believe he is attempting to say that we, as humans, generally do not seek to harm other humans because we generally have the ability to empathize with them.

And I believe that relates to his statements in this thread in the sense that "disturbed" means "conditioned with damaging lack of empathy".

So, when understood properly they do not contradict one another.

In a reality where everyone is born with love in their hearts and through circumstance may lose that ability or desire, it is not a reflection of their own wrong-doing but of the conditioning they have experienced. Hence, anything they do that may be seen as "Evil" is not evil to them because it is an inncocent retaliation to whatever negative "evils" they may themselves have experienced.

This is my perception of what Angel was saying, which may or may not be correct.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

I'm going to clear a little way here for what I see. In truth, I honestly believe that there is no right or wrong in terms of what is. To me, the essence of right or wrong action brings about it the nature of judgement. Seriously, I doubt God sits on a throne and judges right or wrong action...this would be more the role of aliens (theres a thought!). God is the inner voice that guides; but in our world of thinking, where knowledge becomes tainted, this voice is often misinterpreted and is something rather different. I do not believe we have right and wrong naturally instilled in us; what I do believe is that 'naturally' in the physical world, we wish to protect ourselves, our kids and our kind to sustain. Thus any action of right or wrong, at this level, is relative to the order of approximation to the self; e.g. compare mother stealing food for her kids to mother stealing for greed. The 'why' factor is often unkown, can be led by hurt, and could be led by any less progressive emotion that renders insufficient progress of the individual. The 'why' factor is always only really know to the individual in question. However, if you began to understand why people do things then you would see it is due to some sort of less productive emotion.

If we had the time and effort in this world to understand everybody, there would be no need for laws, we'd recognise we all have the potential to be alike. However, still stuck by the natural laws of reproduction and other human induced factors, we neglect this and substitute in laws to preserve law and order and civil society. Freedom will never prevail under this scheme, and therefore it is not right; but arguably necessary for the majority to be able to live as free as possible.

In sum, there is no right and wrong ultimately; but perhaps for the better, in thsis world, we need laws, if be they illusional, to preserve the majorities aims.

As to the original question:

i don't know why evil exists. I'd satb at something similar to a learning curve. However, this does not mean God does not exist. You will hear supposedly wise philosophers say 'I can't conceive of a God that would wish evil' However they still hold judgement in this by means of comparing what they believe is right with what they believe is not right. Why does hurt have to be a bad thing, can it not just be a thing? Or, can it not be a thing to build upon?

God is not righteousness; love is God.

""No words""

evil does not exist. Evil is to be understood as a lacking of good. All that god created is good. even satan himself is good in the sense that God created him. So evil does not exist in this world as an entity, there is howerver those of us that are greatly lacking in "good" and of course satan is real and will engulf those of us that are lacking in "good"