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Homosexuality and the Bible

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Homosexuality and the Bible
Some people say that against homosexuality generally has presented two places, whom are assumed condemning homosexuality as a sin. 1 Cor 6:9 and 1 Tim 1:10 is Greek word arsenokoites, and according to some it doesn't mean homosexuality. Some people say that meaning of arsenokoites is also unclear in the midst of Bible scholars. There are also people who claim that apostle Paul made up this word, because we can't find this word from Greek texts before Paul.

All preceding claims are wrong and erroneous. Concept of arsenokoites is in Greek Septuagint text, which has been made about two hundred years before birth of Jesus Christ. The Jews translated Septuagint in Alexandria of Egypt, because the Jews were scattered and part of them merged to heathen languages and couldn't speak and understand Hebrew. For this reason, the Jewish scribes translated the Scriptures from Hebrew to Greek (Septuagint).

Septuagint and the Greek word arsenokoites:

Lev 18:22 (Septuaginta)

kai meta arsenos ou koimeeteesee koiten gynaikos bdelugma gar estin

Lev 20:13 (Septuaginta)

kai os an koimeetee meta arsenos koiten gynaikos bdelugma epoieesan amphoteroi thanatousthoosan enokhoi eisin

Arsenos means male and koiten means bed. Lev 18:22 and 20:13 teach that a man cannot lie (sexual act) with another man as he lies with a woman. The origin of the word arsenokoites means homosexual activity and homosexual. Lev 18:22 and 20:13 prove very clearly that arsenos koitenmeans homosexuality sex, because the Jews scribes translated words' arsenos koiten to describe men who have sex with another men (homosexuality), which is a sin and against the will of God. Apostle Paul didn't make up the word arsenokoites, but it was already as the concept in the Old Testament, where it meant homosexuality.

It is very clear that the words' arsenos koiten meant homosexuality (man who had sex with another man) to Jews of the Old Covenant era. In the same way arsenokoites meant homosexuality (man who had sex with another man) to Jesus' disciples in the New Covenant era.

Jewish philosopher Philo lived in the same time as Jesus Christ and Philo has said that arsenokoites meant shrine prostitute (male temple prostitute), and not homosexual. Some people have made from this a conclusion that the word arsenokoites meant a male temple prostitute. Philo's interpretation was totally wrong, because the Bible proves this undisputedly and shows that Philo erred.

De 23:17 There shall be no whore (gedeshah) of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite (gadesh) of the sons of Israel.

Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie (shakab) with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Lev 20:13 If a man also lie (shakab) with mankind, as he lieth (mishkab) with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Female temple prostitute is in Hebrew gedeshah and a male temple prostitute is gadesh. Lev 18:22 and Lev 20:13 are Hebrew words shakab (lie, lie down and lie sexually) and mishkab (bed, lying down, lying down sexually).

Lev 18:22 and Lev 20:13 doesn't use temple prostitute word, but words in which is denied that a man can't lie sexually with another man. Always when the Bible speaks for temple prostitutes, so the Bible uses words gedeshah and gadesh. If Lev 18:22 and Lev 20:13 told for temple prostitutes, so verses would mention them, but there isn't, because in those verses, the Bible forbids homosexuality. It is very clear and undisputable in the light of the testimony of the Bible, that arsenokoites means homosexuality.

The text of Septuagint translators disproves totally Philo's false interpretation:

De 23:17 ouk stai porne apo thugateron israel kai ouk estai porneuon apo uion israel ouk estai telesphoros apo thugateron israel kai ouk estai teliskomenos apo uion israel (Septuagint De 23:17)

In the text of Septuagint appear words porne and porneuon, which describe temple prostitutes. Jewish Bible translators' scholars didn't use the word arsenokoites to describe temple prostitute. The testimony of the Bible is unambiguous that arsenokoites doesn't mean temple prostitute, but homosexual.

Philo was pleased Greek, Stoic and Jewish philosophy, and for this reason he believed that literal interpretation of the Jewish Bible is stifled and too complex to be understood in literal human terms. Philo was a liberal theologian of his era, who distorted the teachings of the Bible by his own human wisdom. Philo's testimony from the word arsenokoites is invalid and clearly against the teaching of the Bible.

Arsenokoites meant exactly what Jewish Septuagint translators meant, in other words, it means homosexuality and practicing of homosexuality, which is a sin according to the word of God (Bible).

1 Cor 6:
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate (malakos), nor abusers of themselves with mankind (arsenokoites),
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

The word effeminate is in Greek malakos, which means soft, effeminate, of a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man, of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness, of a male prostitute. According to the word of God (Bible) homosexual act between a boy and a man is a sin, and male prostitution is also a sin.

Abusers with mankind is in Greek arsenokoiteen - arsenokoites, which means homosexual. This comes out also very clear from Septuagint as we have seen it before. Arsenokoites derives from wordsarrhen and koite. Arrhen means a male, and koite means a bed. The Bible brings up also in the New Covenant that homosexuality is wrong and a sin. The Bible brings up also very clearly that homosexual is a sin that is obstruction of salvation. Apostle Paul taught that homosexual is a sin as we can see clearly from 1 Cor 6:9-11.

The word of God (Bible) teaches very clearly that those people who live in sinful homosexuality (and unrighteous, adulterers, idolatries and so on) cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, unless if they don't repent their sins and forsake their sins.

1 Cor 6:9-11 show for us also that in Corinth, some disciples had been homosexuals, but weren't anymore, because they were sanctified and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit.

The Bible also proves in 1 Cor 6:9-12 that homosexually oriented males can change and forsake homosexual identity for heterosexual with the help of Lord Jesus. There are also testimonies of many ex-gays who have received salvation in the Lord Jesus, and forsaken homosexuality and turned to heterosexual persons.




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Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen have written the book: (After the Ball: How America Will Conquer its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 1990s (1989). This book is American's gay movement guiding and marketing book how contrarian must label as the negative way. The book has next kinds of advice:

- Heterosexuals must experience an emotion of a shame.

- Heterosexuals must predispose to pictures and verbal statements, which causes all abnormal things connected to homosexuality to conflict with the matter that homosexual want to be in his heart acknowledged and merge with other people.

- Propagandistic advertisement labels all opponents of gay movement as homophobic fanatics, who are not the real Christians.

- At last propaganda hit a label to opponents and shows them as the object oc criticism, hatred and silenced.

- The goal shall be achieved without facts, logic or arguments, because beliefs can be changed by continual emotion conditioning, whether an individual is conscious or not attack that is against him.

- Converting of heterosexuals is continual presented pictures and statements, in which homosexuals showed similar as heterosexuals. This picture and statement must be the icon of normality.

- Advertisements have impacts to heterosexuals, even if they don't believe in them.

- Heterosexual undergoes two conflict emotions: he reacts the positive way to the picture, but negative about homosexual.

- At worst reactions annulled each other, and we succeed mixing up the things. At the best conditioning based on association transfer by little steps positive emotion towards individual of the picture.

Gay movement advocates its agenda actively, and impacts can be seen very clear also here in Finland. Gay movement is campaigning for emotion of a shame to heterosexuals. The purpose of producing emotion of a shame is to get people positive for homosexuality and shame the emotion and thought that homosexuality would be abnormal. If gay movement succeeds to get people feel to shame, so the minds of people change positive for homosexuality. This was and is the goal of gay movement, which has succeeded almost completely.

Gay movement has driven and advocate actively conception by pictures and statements, which task is to drive abnormality (homosexuality) to conflict, because gay movement wants to change comprehension from homosexuality that it wouldn't be abnormal, but normal.

Crooked and dishonest methods of gay movement expose for us that they try by force make abnormal as normal. On the behalf of natural sexuality, you don't have to campaign, not manipulate people and try continual to change comprehensions of other people, because natural is natural.

Gay movement is practicing propaganda, in which it labels all opponents as homophobics. This is intolerant behavior, where they don't tolerate contrarian, but they criticize contrarian as homophobics. The purpose using of the word homophobic is put to wrong label to the forehand of contrarian. Different opinion doesn't make anyone a phobia person. For example, here in Finland are in policy many different parties with different values and opinions in some cases. Difference doesn't make anyone mature politician a phobia person. If some politician suffers from phobia, so he is provoking in the same way as gay movement people are provoking and labeling people who have different values as they have.

Riding for intolerant is powerful means to persuade people to own camp. Nowadays, it is very popular to be tolerant, because people don't want to be intolerant. Nowadays, intolerant is connected to undeveloped, which is placed on a level of Middle Ages' hard and brutal values. People don't want to be in the Middle Ages, but live in 21st centuries. Intolerance is placed on a level of loser and tolerance for the winner. Nobody wanted to be loser, but the winner. Gay movement has understood that intolerance works powerful as a deterrent, for this reason they use diligently words' intolerance and tolerance.

When it is a question for values and faith, so the intolerance term loses its meaning as the weapon to hit against those who think differently. For example; Finnish policy has many parties, which have different values and opinions that how is wise to build up Finnish society. No-one accuses others intolerant, although they think that others build up policy in a wrong way in some things. They respect one another, even others build some things in a wrong way. No-one tries to change others by force, but everyone can think matters in his heart about it that what is wrong and right, wise or foolish.

The same is in question concerning Jesus' disciples. Jesus' disciples believe to the word of God (the Bible), which says unambiguous that homosexuality is a sin. Jesus' disciple believes in the word of God, but also respect and loves by the love of God homosexuals. Jesus' disciple doesn't try to change homosexuals by force, but let them decide to believe or not to believe to the word of God. Jesus' disciple can express how he believes. This is the right kind of tolerance.

Tolerance of gay movement tries to destroy contrarian, and don't tolerant them. This shows that gay movement represents intolerance and not tolerance. Jesus' disciples don't try to destroy gay people, but they tell how they believe in the Bible and let gay people to decide that do they believe or no.

Tolerance without safety borders has a character that it distorts more and more the things. Gay activist Frank Kameny is the sad example for this. He advocated homosexuality many decades ago in America. He passed away last year and before his death, he advocated sex between humans and animals. He said that if a man gets happiness having sex with an animal, so he should have permission to do it.

You might think this kind of abnormal behavior can't pass. Tolerance which doesn't know differences of normal and abnormal shall accept abnormality.

I don't contrast animal sex to gay sex, but abnormality. It could be situation in the future that perverted tolerance accepts sex between animal and a man. That what is now held as abnormal can be "normal" in the future. In the same way also homosexuality was abnormal and accepted as "normal". When new generation is taught as children by perverted tolerance to accept abnormality, so they as adults go longer in abnormality as their parents have gone. Since 1960s rapid change of perverted tolerance has accepted many pervert things as homosexuality and transsexualism so in this light in the future sex between animal and a man can become as a natural thing.

Sex between animal and a man is a sin and forbidden in the Bible. The Bible is the word of God and for this reason sinful people break up against the will of God, also practicing sex with animals.

Gay movement works and operates the very crooked way, because they say that the real Christian accepts homosexuality. Gay movement tries in every way distort the truth of God, even distorting that the Bible accept homosexuality. Gay movement tries to present the real Jesus' disciples in the wrong light, trying to make them people who don't believe in the Bible. This is the old false habit, which has been used throughout of the history; distort the truth and disguise yourself as false truth. People who oppose the truth of the Bible have used this false method throughout of the history of the mankind.

Crooked, dishonest and treacherous methods of gay movement expose for us their purpose is profane and destroy their opponents. Their purpose is to lead Jesus' disciples as a target of hate. They try to silence Jesus' disciples. This kind of activity is crooked and evil.

Gay movement tries to change comprehensions of people by continual emotion conditioning, without facts, logic or arguments. By this way people don't know that an attack has been made to their minds. The purpose of gay movement is to change emotions of people for positive to homosexuality. Therefore, people don't need facts, because positive emotion comes as the truth to heart of the people, even if the emotion is wrong and abnormal or conflict with the real truth. Planned manipulation abuses always the emotions of the people. If you can win emotions of the people on your side, so any facts can't speak to hearts of the people.

When emotion is manipulated to desired direction, so people don't understand, that an attack has been made to his mind. This kind of manipulation is insolent and rude, which shows that a man is willing and capable of to do very dirty means that he can achieve his goal.

God doesn't manipulate the mind of the people, but let them freely to decide to believe in Him or not to believe. God doesn't use crooked and dirty means and don't try to manipulate people by force to receive the salvation in the Lord Jesus.

Gay movement uses the method of continual repetition, in which the purpose changes abnormal as normal. Continual manipulation impacts to people and very often break up resistance.

The purpose on gay movement is to remove conflicts and abnormality of homosexuality. They hope that propagandistic manipulation annuls all negative comprehensions about homosexuality. By the own words of gay movement, they have succeeded to mix up the things and manipulating conditioning of the matters leads people at last to sense homosexuality in a positive way. Gay movement says that their goal has fulfilled when emotions of the people have been led to condition, in which they see homosexuals as a victim. As the consequence of this they begin to hate those people who believe that homosexuality is a sin and abnormal.

Unfortunately, gay movement's agenda has deceived people. Gay movement has spread their agenda to every structure of current societies. The Lord Jesus prophesied that in the last days people of the world shall accept sin of homosexuality, except the real Jesus' disciples.

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