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Power of the people

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33 Posts / 9M
     :   25yrs   :  
Gabriel23

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Ok, The way I see our government is simple. The people who control power and control the nessesary resources are elected to the government. I believe many of our officials and representatives are not, a representation of the majority, which is the working class. These people are not the best possible representation for the voice of the majority. In order to truly return power to the people, we should give all people interested in a government representation a try, whether they work in mill, or a restaurant, we should all be given the oppurtunity to represent our people. Instead of resources being the determining factor, let it be character, and morals and compassion which represents us, not just settling for the most genuine canidate. I want to be the first active minimum wage ranking government offical ever elected to office. If we are truly the land of oppurtunity, then this goal should be attainable, is there anyone who knows of such a feat? Thanks for reading, please give q's and comments.


"I never let the negativity of life, dull the beauty in my life."

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2810 Posts / 89M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

Okay, super. You want to be the first honest, down to earth politician. Let's go step by step. Let's assume you have enough support, somehow, to get head to head with the big boys.

1) How do you get people to know you are an honest down to earth politician? The "others" are saying the exact, exact same thing even though they aren't, and becuase they are corrupt fucks they have millions of dollars to spend on ads to promote this information and spread it around. So it a voter sees one commercial this year, it will be the "other guy"'s. How will you defeat this being an honest straight forward guy? Although I understand that honesty and good nature should go it's distance, the fact remains that there are serious communication gaps in the US, and only certain media connects the people and that media costs money.

2) How are you going to cope with the not-outright-lies but sort-of-lies that every other politician will say about you in the many ads they have? The expectation that people will not lie is not realistic, and the expectation that the average American will see through it is even further from the truth. So how will you combat this?

3) Tied to number 2, how are you going to guide yourself? Do you know that if you say one thing, even if in context it's great, it can be used out of context to almost obliterate your support? Saying something, for example, like "Lazy soldiers should not receive our support" would translate to "American soldiers are lazy and do not deserve our support" - how would you be down to earth and say the things that need to be said (such as the above) without anhilating your own campaign? Not to mention that news reports would also distort your message so that they get additional readership - not just your opponents.

Answer those questions and you can then move onto exploring how to go about being the first honest politician. Not that your idea isn't genuine and great - but you fail to realize how many Hillary Clintons there are out there. The despicable nature under which this cunt is guiding her campaign is a lesson to everyone - 99% of the politicians out there are horrific people, and they'd kick their mothers in the knee caps if it meant more votes. Even people like Obama and Ron Paul who seem to have more integrity - do you think they are allowed to condemn the US youth and soldiers for what happened in Abu Ghraib? Do you think they are allowed to say "Don't join the army if you don't believe in the politics under which it is commanded"? Of course not. Even they are liars.

Show us a way out of it.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

1764 Posts / 62M
     :   56yrs   :  
cturtle

Yes, note recently air political satire 'Mr. Smith goes to Washington (I think that was the name?) An early (b&w?) movie that was written about just such an event . . . so as they say 'nothing new under the sun?


"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

33 Posts / 9M
     :   25yrs   :  
Gabriel23

To Decius,

1. First of all, in you answered how to defeat those types negative campaining in your questions/analysis. Communication. To few people are aware of communication gaps, not just in the U.S. but abroad as well. Communication is the key to solving problems, it is the the thought process which shares experience and understanding. If I ran, I would state specifically in my campaign that I am against the manipulation of campaign ads, and against the manipulation of the american people. I would state that I believe that these ads which strike out at canidates are childish methods of communication. As well as bassed around ignorance. As far as money goes, for competition, I realize that it is important, but a man who is able to command attention, is able to command attention w/or w/out money. Look at Obama, he brings a message of hope, blah blah blah, but his ability to speak and communicate is what is inspiring people, not so much is policy. Now granted I won't say Obama isn't real, because we can't form a unbiased opinion of a man until we gotten to know the man personally. But his stage pressence and communication ability is what is setting him aside. He's calm and composed, from what I've seen.

2. True society is not as aware as I believe it once was. And to see through people is a learned ability, but again, I feel that people can tell, they can sense the truth in a person. Perhaps, naive. Plus, being a optimist, I believe that lying is simply a form of manipulation, which I would again state to the people I spoke with and to.

3. Here's how you counteract such questions and allogations. Preperation. If you have all of the speeches gathered, all of the paper articles as well. All of the media clips. You have a manager, strictly to keep track of that information. As well as have it on hand for any type senerio which might arise with which allogations could be presented. Call people out. In order to stop a lie, you can't fear it and you have to be willing to admit your wrong, (which I don't think I've ever seen a candidate do) Hell if you have too make a list of all your wrong doing and show it to the people. Be blantently honest. A true man not only fixes his mistakes, but admits them as well. With my heart on my sleeve and honesty in my words and actions, there is little to pick apart. I hope you found my responses interesting. Whether you choose to believe them or not. I tell ya what, the hilary and obama historical perspective. What if I told you in 1960 that in 50 or so years from now, that there will both me a african american man, and a caucasian woman running for the top seat in the government of the United states of america. I think the answer to that, kind of parallels my idea. Ludacrist, but the only things that are impossible are the things people say are impossible. When people believe like our generation is now showing, I believe that my idea of running on morals, ethics, and honesty will someday too be valid. Thanks for the q's they were good ones and too the point. Gabe


"I never let the negativity of life, dull the beauty in my life."

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2810 Posts / 89M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

Gabriel23:

1) You failed to address, entirely, how you are going to present your personality to the people without money. If your suggestion is that personality goes long enough a way to equate 30 million dollars in TV ads and newspaper coverage, you are not examining the reality of the world.

2) It is very naive. People are liars as well. The notion that people are good and politicians are bad is ludicrous. Can a liar spot a truth-teller or will a liar more likely trust one of his/her own kind?

3) Preperation is not a viable answer because there is an infinite amount of information out there - therefore, your opponents can come up with new information that you have not yet thought of, or it will be presented in a way not easily combated. To perceive that you can battle all such statements with a relaxed response is also naive. As for admitting your wrong - you have not watched polls and how they react to the words of politicians. If you admit you are wrong once, it is not regarded as strong but weak - and you lose votes.

Your perception is based on one central base naivity - that the "people" are good, honest and looking for a leader. People are manipulative, they lie, they are cheap and opportunistic, they like television and pizza, and want to do as little work as possible.

So let me ask you this - if I am right about the people - that they are lazy and immature and petty - would you, as a politician in all your honesty, tell them they are petty and lazy and immature? And in doing so, do you think you would win the election?

(REMEMBER, in this HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION I am RIGHT - people ARE lazy and stupid and petty)


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

33 Posts / 9M
     :   25yrs   :  
Gabriel23

To Decius,

I've pondered you response. I realize you have a negative view of people, and their capabilities. I can't tell you what you want to hear, because I wouldn't feel right being condesending, however, I will address your final answer. If people really were lazy, immature and petty. I would not pass that feeling of judgement on to them. Instead, I would make things simpler to understand. I would cater to their needs and provide them with the help and understanding if they would so choose to except. Again, no offense, but I don't think the answers I could provide would be believeable in your eyes. Perhaps, you should ponder that same question you possed to me and deduce solutions. For no answer will probably satisfy you, but one you come up with. Thanks for the questions. As always, peace.


"I never let the negativity of life, dull the beauty in my life."

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2810 Posts / 89M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

I have pondered the question, and I have deduced solutions. Realistic ones that achieve wondrous beautiful things, like harmony and unity amongst all people.

But it will not be achieved with your suggestions (or lack thereof). Your innability to answer my question given the reality I have communicated does not mean you cannot give me an answer I want to hear - it means you cannot give me an answer that is realistic, for what I want to hear is a realistic answer.

"Instead, I would make things simpler to understand"

You are fencing the question - if your opponent stood with you in front of the whole nation and asked if you thought people were lazy, if you had ever concluded that people were lazy or petty, or even if you personally feel that you have to explain things to them "simply" because they will not understand complicated thoughts, would you say yes, in all your honesty?

And if you did, do you think the people would love you more for your honesty, or spit on you?

I am person, liable to be a follower of yours, and your innability to answer my questions makes me feel that you are not honest, that you cannot be a leader. Why? Because you are not trying to understand my perspective and answer me honestly - you are trying to hold onto your beliefs, and in doing so, alienate me.

If you do so in front of millions of people for one instant, it is all over. In the end, what I am trying to teach you is that idealism with naivity and good intentions results in nothing, and closing your eyes to the bitter truths of the world does not make your angellic nature any stronger. It is only those that purposefully face the horrors of the world and retain their idealism that become true spiritual leaders.

The simple fact that you do not want to face, or do not know that people are petty, lazy, and selfish means you have a long road ahead - and there is no certainty that your idealism will last the hard road, because usually, it doesn't.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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2876 Posts / 57M
     :   24yrs   :  
Wyote

quote:
It is only those that purposefully face the horrors of the world and retain their idealism that become true spiritual leaders.


Does the problem come from the fact that politicians face horrors on a daily basis, which tears away most, if not all of their idealism? If all politicians were spiritual leaders and vice-versa, would this create
harmony?

If yes, then in order to become a dignified, successful politician while still being an "average" citizen you must demonstrate and promote to your followers the effectiveness of your idealistic ways within the world of politics.

Here's where I get stuck. You may accomplish some small amount of clout taking this path, but with the majority of government systems being so corrupt today, the only way you could hope to achieve true success as a politician while maintaining idealism, the entire system must change. That kind of change takes a huge amount of power. Power which the "average" person on their own simply cannot achieve.


"UNIX is an operating system, OS/2 is half an operating system, Windows is a shell, and DOS is a boot partition virus. ~Peter H. Coffin"

33 Posts / 9M
     :   25yrs   :  
Gabriel23

Decius,
Again, you are speaking in absolutes, and with personal perspective and personal interpretation. More or less just a opinion. Have you run for congress? Do you know what the people need versus their wants? What gives you the right (besides opinion) to judge our people as lazy and petty? You are asking me to assume you are correct, when indeed, you are simply just stating mere opinion of people, and asking me to play your game. One in which I feel is extremely biased, and extremely naive as well. On the positive, you feel strongly about your position on people. You're confident you are correct about them as. I realize you want me to answer the question if I was being asked hypth. about my feelings on people being lazy (if it were true). Of course I would tell them yes. And yes they might spit on me, or yes the might appreciate my honesty. Regardless, my character and honesty is not based upon hypathetical situations. Its based on real life experience. Its based on making hard decisions, no matter the cost. Honesty is a bold claim in todays society, however no matter how critical and cynical people are, a man who truly sees life, does not fear judgement, does not seek falsehoods to save face in front of a crowd. A honest man stands up for what he knows is right.


"I never let the negativity of life, dull the beauty in my life."

33 Posts / 9M
     :   25yrs   :  
Gabriel23

Wyote,

The change you speak of, which seems unachievable for one person, there is still that .1% chance that someone could rise above such obstycles. Until it happens it seems impossible, once it happens, impossibilty becomes irrelavent.


"I never let the negativity of life, dull the beauty in my life."

479 Posts / 27M
     :   20yrs   :  
ChrisD

Jesus was crucified.


"You gotta walk that lonesome valley. You gotta walk it for yourself."

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2810 Posts / 89M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

Your ideas are noble, but you really have not thought sufficiently enough about the logical, economic, psychological and emotional nitty gritty that goes into not only yourself, but the people around you when it comes to being a "leader". I tried to ask you these things, but you're unwilling to address them, even hypothetically. So be it.

Such things are just fluttering thoughts unless you invest the time and energy. It's like saying you want to make great music just because you really want to make people's lives better without having any idea how to play the piano.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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