impulses and the ego

impulses and the ego [+ favourites]

Should we deny ourselves our own natural human impulses in order to better who we are or does doing this in fact change the purpose of our existence in actual fact does doing this better us at all, when’s the last time you had true clarity just rose above all your material and emotional bull shit what did you see when’s the last time you really looked in a mirror

""Veritatem quaere et insaniam inveni""

Impulses are almost always the result of fear, guilt and self-loathing. Good impulses must be cultivated so you can freely engage in them. You have to learn to determine which is which, and this is where i think you are bettering yourself.

It is wrong to believe that if we deny our impulses that we are opposing who we are; so much of who we are was not implemented by us but rather by our environment... so no matter how we may identify with a feeling or impulse, we must be certain it is something "I" would do and is not the result of me being manipulated.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

You are absolutely correct we are products of our environment but the question is how do you discern between what you have been manipulated into believing and what you are at the core, I suppose what im actually asking is how do we strip away the ego and find our true selves if such a thing were plausible

""Veritatem quaere et insaniam inveni""

That's the question... it's a beautiful question, and it's very very hard. But the fruits of that quest are more than worth it. Why? Because this is the one sure path to true inner confidence.

Can you imagine anything more beautiful than true inner confidence? This is not wearing a nice suit and feeling beautiful. This is being that person that walks around in underwear and wreaks of B.O. but smiles, and when that person smiles they aren't making fun of you or them, but they are just happy.

Stripping away the bad stuff begins with recognizing the bad stuff. (we know what the bad stuff is, we've just had it so long we've forgotten) So it begins with choosing to recognize the bad stuff... to be inquisitive. Why do I yell? Why do I play video games? Why am i afraid?

Then you find out how to condition yourself against that, do it, and one by one you remove the sources of impure impulses.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

I think that often being impulsive is relying on your feelings, your gut instincts, what's in the heart not the head. If we weren't impulsive once in a while and thought carefully and logically about what to do next we'd all be living in a perfectly run computer program!
I suppose our true-selves are hidden under a life-time of constraints. I say step out of the box once in a while and be impulsive, it may be a dangerous thing to do but if we didn't take risks once in a while how could we grow and evolve?

""Each child holds the world in an open hand to mould it into any shape they choose.""

Ah decius this is all true and it is what im striving for but after so long its like my life story has writers block im at a loss im sure you know how confusing this gets question your own sense of right and wrong and moral code its never ending

""Veritatem quaere et insaniam inveni""

Sorceress,what do you see as basic human impulses,the need to feed be safe reproduce,impulses are a means to an end they are animal instincts. so do they realy help the soul or only the body

""Veritatem quaere et insaniam inveni""

Well I think that anything that is good for the soul has to be good for the body and visa versa, surely its all part of the same package

""Each child holds the world in an open hand to mould it into any shape they choose.""

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thought carefully and logically about what to do next we'd all be living in a perfectly run computer program

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"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

Logic and emotion are intertwined because we are born with bare survival instincts speaking from a completely physiological point we have to persevere ourselves; through time this became more and more complex due to our ability to actually think hence so has our perceptions of emotion.
Logic is the basis of all things very true but there has to be an exception I wonder what it is maybe we should start a name one thing that doesn’t stem from a logic thread. In retro spec our physiological purpose is to reproduce and we have made it again complex by brining in materialism as a point to show strength, its no longer im stronger its look I have shiny wads of cash

""Veritatem quaere et insaniam inveni""

Wait I have one what about the depression and self loathing of loosing a loved one hardly logical, to love someone is a by product of wanting to reproduce but losing them means you should just look for another compatible mate (in the realm of logic) but we don’t we get all fucked up about it

""Veritatem quaere et insaniam inveni""

Decius you said..."I have a great grasp of logic, and more than anything I feel the more logical I get the more free I become emotionally. My emotions are no longer in doubt or questioned when i live in a complete state of logic. My emotions are consistent with logic, which makes them even stronger. "

You sound like a Vulcan man. Do you really believe that? Do you really think that this so called complete grasp of logical thinking on your part gives you control over your emotions?

You just keep telling yourself that;
Honey I think you are deluding yourself and I wonder if maybe you have emotional stuff that you are keeping under control because maybe you need to be in control, perhaps you are scared to be impulsive and let yourself be just a plain flawed human being like the rest of us.

""Each child holds the world in an open hand to mould it into any shape they choose.""

Well, here's a good example of why people like you will have problems communicating with people like me.

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Do you really think that this so called complete grasp of logical thinking on your part gives you control over your emotions?

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Honey I think you are deluding yourself and I wonder if maybe you have emotional stuff that you are keeping under control because maybe you need to be in control, perhaps you are scared to be impulsive and let yourself be just a plain flawed human being like the rest of us.

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"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

fairyboy: I would agree that depression is not logical.. but I also believe that depression is not "natural"... it is the result of impurities imposed on us by our environment.

However, your second example, which is the death of a loved one, is indeed logical... and is indeed related to emotions that one must go through. You learn more by losing than you do by winning. Losing a loved one changes you in ways you can't even try to contemplate before hand.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

Decius says: "See, therein lies your defeatist (somewhat pathetic in my opinion) perspective. By definition, you have associated being "impulsive" to being "flawed", and somehow are trying to suggest that it is incorrect to want to not be flawed."

Are you saying that I am pathetic becuase I am flawed and therefore that you by your superior grasp of logic are perfect?

""Each child holds the world in an open hand to mould it into any shape they choose.""