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Is it so far fetched for me to find death more natural than I do life? It makes more sense to me than living does. People feel the need to give living a purpose. It's not often questioned why we do not live forever in our current state. Maybe death to me is nothing more than the hope of finding both solace and answers. Does anybody else feel similar?

"Give me the freedom to destroy"

It is unnatural because your base instincts do not lead to death. You have to make a choice to die. Your body rejects things that lead to death by creating pain. Hence, we are instinctually drawn towards life rather than death.

You can re-condition all of this, but unless there is a logical reason to do so it just become unnatural (just like throwing up after eating).

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

To be honest every day I wish to die. That sounds strange I know, but as far back as I can remember I have felt mentally worn out. I definately won't die by my own hand, but when it happens, however it happens, I will greet it with open arms. Not out of hatred for life or pain, but because I just have a strange feeling that I will finally find what I'm after, whatever that is.

Yes, disenchanted, that is EXACTLY what I mean.

"Give me the freedom to destroy"

If your purpose is to seek justification for your feeling then you shouldn't delude yourself into thinking you're seeking the truth. You can get a dog to agree with you if you really want.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

My purpose has nothing to do with justification.

"Give me the freedom to destroy"

May I ask what answers and solace you are either searching or waiting for? And why wait when life gives you the opportunity to find the answers and solace (if an answer exists).

Embrace death because it’s part of the natural cycle of life BUT realise that death may not be a way of finding both solace and answers, but merely a termination of your whole conciousness and whole existence into complete nothingness. I do not believe in immortality, and have no desire for it. You won't know when you are dead.The only certainty that one has in life is that one day you'll lose it and that death is as common as life. Far better, it seems to me, in our vulnerability, is to look Death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides.

Ask yourself if you are thinking of security instead of opportunity.

"The summit is just a halfway point"

Its not answers so much that I am trying to find, just understanding as a whole.

I am not a big fan of the concept of immortality, either. At least not the way it is exploited in Christianity. But I do not deny the possibility of it's existance.

Even without immortality, matter cannot be created nor can it be destroyed. This is a proven fact of life. So while death may indeed lead to the termination of conciousness, our physical bodies will decompose and rot, and eventually become a living part of the earth.It's amazing, and I like the thought of our bodies being recycled back into the earth. It wouldnt matter if all conciousness was lost because without it there would be no desire to understand.

I like the concept of nothingness.

"Give me the freedom to destroy"

I feel the same Freakish. It's not about finding the answers and being able to revel in them, it's more just completing the circle (if it is a circle) or moving on to the next part of the cycle (if it's ongoing). So far, I have felt that death will be fulfillment greater than anything I can achieve for myself in life, even if I don't remain conscious of it.

If life is futile, death is relief. If life has meaning, death will likely answer us or bring us a step closer to answering ourselves. If life is a process leading to a greater state of being, it is in death that our being evolves. I admit that I am more enthusiastic about death than I am about life, and although I try to enjoy life as best I can and am grateful for it, I am fascinated about what could possibly await me.

There is a difference between choosing death as a mode of evolution, or using it as escape and justifying that escape with the concept of evolution.

I don't know either of you, but I can bet your lives are not filled with the joys you'd like. Your age and general persona most probably conclude that you both feel alienated in some way or another with "life".

Unless you face that this is true and overcome it, you can never embrace death as something beautiful because if it is an escape, desiring it is no more righteous than desiring weed or beer.

This is why I feel both of you ignored my original post, which directly addresses the question yet opposes both of your apparent desired methods of escape.

Also, if you close your eyes and meditate for an instant to find that little voice inside you, you'll realize you're scared shitless of death. That nothingness is scary, the bodies rotting is scary. Why it may seem attractive is that being a part of the world, decomposing, returning to the cycle makes you a part of this world, and therefore no longer an alien.

Hence, the difficulty is not in embracing death but in facing your fears in life. Which although is extremely cliche, is the only path to truly embracing death. There are no short cuts.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

I think you are reading too far into this Decius.

I do not look forward to death because I see it as an escape. I realize that I mentioned above “If life is futile, death is relief,” but by that I mean relief from futility, not from pain or feelings of alienation.

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Also, if you close your eyes and meditate for an instant to find that little voice inside you, you'll realize you're scared shitless of death. That nothingness is scary, the bodies rotting is scary. Why it may seem attractive is that being a part of the world, decomposing, returning to the cycle makes you a part of this world, and therefore no longer an alien.

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I'm not certain how futility translates to happiness (and if it doesn't, then it translates to pain, which means you're arguing a pointless semantic)

Empathizing with the possible unison with the universe is quite different from "finding death more natural than life". The grey area between what you're saying and what the author was saying is quite large.

One perspective looks to death for the answer that life cannot provide, whereas the other embraces life and contemplates further answers from death, without detracting from life.

Hence, the comparison. If you feel death will provide more answers than life does, then you are escaping, because you surely do not know all the answers in life yet.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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If you feel death will provide more answers than life does, then you are escaping

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"Give me the freedom to destroy"

Have you ever pondered the possibility that one of the answers to one of your questions is that you are supposed to spend your whole life trying to figure it out?

I know, that sounds absolutely ridiculous, right?

But such a contradictory statement is entirely based in logical reality. The world operates with the law of diminishing marginal utility (you enjoy something less the more of it you get), and every experience is almost always more satisfactory when it is worked for rather than provided.

Every form of entertainment that humans seem to gravitate towards certifies that humans are completely incapable of appreciating "answers". They require the confusion to adequately absorb the answer.

Since this is completely true, why can't it apply to life? What if life is the absolute quest for the answer, and only with a life that attempts to resolve all unknowns does one embrace death as they should?

This is a possible answer to a possible question, but it certifies the main point.

Escape, be it in action or fantasy, is escape. But your awareness should tell you at least one thing: you certainly don't know enough about life to decide to worship death.

I mean, if you read this post again you'll see that it makes sense. You cannot possibly fantasize death. That's like fantasizing being rich. Once you have the money, you realize you don't want it. You want to go back to having a purpose, where you achieved things and evolved.

I'm not saying death isn't the absolute answer, and isn't beautiful... it possibly is. But I don't think you're ready to appreciate that feeling. Which leads back to my original point: If you can't conquer life, you will not appreciate death.

I'm not debating this in a theoretical sense... I'm debating it in regards to you, personally.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

Maybe we are supposed to spend our while lives trying to figure the answers out, and that is probably what Im going to end up doing.

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Escape, be it in action or fantasy, is escape. But your awareness should tell you at least one thing: you certainly don't know enough about life to decide to worship death.

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I'm not saying death isn't the absolute answer, and isn't beautiful... it possibly is. But I don't think you're ready to appreciate that feeling.

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"Give me the freedom to destroy"