God Is Greater Than My Understanding

God Is Greater Than My Understanding [+ favourites]

I believe in God very much so but I can't say I understand, I can only hope in what Jesus taught us. You have the dolphin and shark. One is evil and one is righteous. One is smart and one is dumb. They swim together in the same ocean, sometimes they will fight and sometimes they won't. Sometimes the shark wins and sometimes the dolphin wins, and I know that God created both of these and the ocean he placed both of them in. From this I know, it isn't so simple.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

This fallacy written above (known as "question begging" ) is most often encountered among untrained superstitious theists who believe in the illogical and the supernatural.

"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy"

David Brooks

"The summit is just a halfway point"

I honestly did not understand that metaphor or why it was there. It seemed to have nothing to do with the "point."

Could you exlpain?

"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

Study the dolphin and study the shark and see how the two are so different, yet swim in the same ocean and you come to see that nothing is so simple.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

Yes a dolphin is a mammal and a shark is a fish and they live within an ecological niche. Its known as genetic diversity. So whats your point okcitykid?

"The summit is just a halfway point"

In an infinite universe, how can you bar any possibilities or be shocked by them?

"I try my best to be just like I am but everybody wants you to be just like them."

Summit - you don't believe in God, you don't believe God created the dolphin or the shark, so it wouldn't make sense to you.

This is the religious section.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

Humor us.

"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

Why do people who don't believe in God come here to the religious section to argue with religious people?

Answer that and I might consent to humor you.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

Because there is no logical reason why you should believe an omnipotent supernatural being created life. We should have a logical reason to believe not a duty. There are many other reasons of course, but that is the main reason in context with this paltry thread. Most believers of the paranormal choose not to understand how to be skeptical and hold such claims up to basic standards of logic and reason. So if you really know that god was a creator of all things, then logically prove it with evidential reasoning and justification without resorting to faith.

Stating that an ideal 'god' made a dolphin and shark to live amongst each other states nothing. A child could have known better. Being omnipotent, God can do anything. Thus, if we ask, "Why are there sharks and dolphins living together?" we could simply say, "Because God makes a shark and dolphin". Since this doesn't explain anything, it must be a strong principle of science to exhaust all other forms of explination before resorting to something that will simply end inquiry. This must be true about life on earth just as much as about the existence of a dolphin and shark. So tell us okcitykid....what is your point in this thread? What are you trying to allude to?

"The summit is just a halfway point"

A shark is really not much more then a killing machine with hardly a brain operating off of mostly instincts alone.

The dolphin however is a very intelligent animal of whom it is rumored as to have saved some peoples lives and some people have even managed to make friends with them.

They both swim in the same ocean.

The point is that some see right and wrong as a clear cut black and white issue, and those same people, like myself, believe in God and believe that God created all things, and believe that God is perfect.

If God created these things and God is perfect, then right and wrong is not a simple issue.

I was using this as an argument to those who believe that gay marriage should be banned in another forum, but it applies to any right and wrong argument.

I believe that anyone who believes in God who comes to this forum and reads this would understand what I'm saying.

I do not understand how a non believer would be threatoned by my statement.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

And summit

You can teach me science, but I can't teach you faith.

Just because you don't have faith does not mean that the rest of us have to be the same.

Growing up is understanding that everybody does not have to be like you to be as good as you.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

Its not about threat. It is simply that the starting post of this thread was kinda vague and misconstrued. Perhaps you should have made it clearer that a shark and dolphin analogy was a metaphor for gay marriage. lol.

Your shark dolphin example is wrong and misleading, and therefore actually contradicts your point that some see right and wrong as a clear cut black and white issue. So if you don't mind I will correct your statement.

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A shark is really not much more then a killing machine with hardly a brain operating off of mostly instincts alone.

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"The summit is just a halfway point"

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I do not understand how a non believer would be threatoned by my statement.

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"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

True atheists would be the most dangerous entities on the planet. No one is a true atheist, and so the question is moot.

Okcitykid: Is your metaphor trying to point out that God does not implement cut and dry truths to us and so there can be no absolute rules? If the dolphin which is intelligent sometimes suffers by the shark and both are created by God, then there is some more complicated underlying motive behind their creation. If this is the case, then there is a complicated motive behind everything God creates (most probably) and therefore we cannot hope to judge why homosexuals were created because we cannot explain why both the dolphin and shark were created.

Is this your point?

If that is your point, then I do not dissagree because that is, in essence, stating that in order to have absolute truths we have to understand everything that goes behind it. In other words, we are ill-equipped to judge homosexuals because there are so many other apparent injustices or evils in the world that God permits. Hence, if we want to exist in the image of God we should first try to understand his motives in those creations before asserting that we know why homosexuals were created and what should be done about it.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."