What is faith: Why Christianity?

What is faith: Why Christianity? [+ favourites]

Since we cant discuss the previous topic, I will raise what emerged from the "what makes people so angry about the Christian faith?" post.

The argument you raised is on faith! You misunderstand faith. Faith is only as good as the thing you put your faith in!

""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"
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I will pose a question to you, and if you fail to address it I will delete this post.

Given the past history of Christianity which statistically makes peaceful religions such as Budhism more attractive, what can you tell me that logically makes it realistic for me to choose Christianity over any of these other religions?

Here are the stipulations of your answer:

1. You cannot explain why I should have faith in Christianity by using the bible as a factual reference (ie, the bible says this, or Jesus said that)

2. You must address the fact that Budhism is thousands of years older that Christianity, preaches one-ness with everyone and everything (thereby removing all prejudices), and why Christian doctrines are superior even though they openly preach prejudice (in regards to gays and prostitues)

You claim the object of the faith is what is important. Prove to me, as a non-believer, why I should invest my faith in Jesus. Fear tactics will not work, nor will blind platitutes taken from the bible. They must tactfully debate with all the logic pushing for one to pursue a logical faith in Budhism, for that can be debated and won rather easily.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

"Faith is only as good as the thing you put your faith in!"

I disagree. I have found that faith is as good as the person who has it. If i can convicne myself that the acorn on my front porch is holy, I can then have a real faith in it. The acorn is pointless, and any faith in it what so ever is a complete defeat of what you just said, bvecause the acorn is next to nothing on worth value.

Now convincing myself that the acorn is holy is almost impossible, but convincing myself that the thing responsible fror all existence in the world, "God", is holy, is a much easier thing to do. Which is what I believe you have done.

Take most cults for example. Most cultist are far more devoted to their faith than you are yours. Some would die instantly. And in some of the cults where the people would die instantly for their faith, the object of their faith could be something like a statue, or an animal.

The statue and or animal is no where near the greatness of the prospect of "God", yet their faith is much stronger than yours.

So I disagree.

Faith is simple. It is trust with out reason.



"Thanks for reading everything people wrote, you fucking momo.

Closing this thread"

By the way, we can discuss, but you weren't discussing. You asked a qeustion, three members gave yu three completely different answers, all about why we were angry at the faith and you then asked the same exact qeustion with no revision what so ever. You didn't even read what we had to say with any sort of "want" to learn. You were looking for gratification and a pissing contest. Thats why he closed the thread. Because YOU weren't trying.

"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."
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To try to show you why I beleive Christianity to be the truth without mentioning Jesus or the Bible would result in heresy and wouldnt get us anywhere, so I wont do that.

But what I will do over the coming days (depending on time) is give you a defence of why I am a Christian. I will explain why I beleive the Bible to be the word of God and why I believe Jesus to be who he claimed to be and also why he stands out amongst every other religious figure. Implicit in my response will be why i dont beleive other religions to be true. Finally I will address some of the comments leveled at Chrisitianity in this and other posts over the past few days?

""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

well certainly looking foward to it

"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"

Your posts will be deleted and there is no purpose to your posting if you must defend Christianity from within the rules of Christianity, for Christianity is a socially engineered mechanism that prevents those who follow its rules to question it.

Hence, you are asserting that you will defend it from a closed mind, which is of course, fruitless and not permitted here.

I do commend your honesty in choosing to be closed minded and that in itself is a feat for any Christian I've ever met.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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Christianity is a socially engineered mechanism that prevents those who follow its rules to question it.

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""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

ofcourse we can and should question each other's beleifs, but if you just go ahead and say UR RELIGION IS WRONG, AND ALTHOUGH I CAN GIVE YOU NO REASON-MINE IS HE BEST, then really it gets a bit irritating. And it's not just with christians, it happens with almost all religion.
I don't even know why wer'e having this discussion, unless you have something else to contribute and show why christainity is the only true religion.
My(and lots of others here) stance is that there is an element of truth in all religions....show why you think to the contrary.

btw decius, I think ur gettin a bit too emotional here no point in hitting on christianity on the whole etc
and regarding Christianity being a socially consrtuccted thingy, thats not what it started out to be, as is the case with almost all religions, though now most religions are quite far from their original intent

"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"

AOD: I have no idea what you're talking about... but thanks for your helpful comments.

PeteSmith: I requested that you question Christianity from the standpoint of someone who is not Christian. This is because as you stated, if you don't, it's heresy. This is because someone who is not Christian would have to start believing in Christianity for reasons that must make sense outside of the Christian realm. If these reasons are logical, you must explain them to me.

And all religions can be questioned, including Christianity. But they must be done so from a neutral standpoint to truly form a clear comparison. This neutral standpoint must be unbiased.

The only reliable standpoint that achieves this is logic. It is illogical for anyone to blindly believe that the bible is the word of God, regardless of whether that is true or not. This is the same for any document or book that has been translated or scribed by man.

Therefore, I pose the same request to you: Unless you can logically explain why Christianity is the truth and should be followed more readily than other religions without using the bible being the word of God as a reference, or without refering to anything else that is an improbable truth, I would love to hear it.

PS: And in regards to your question, Budhism can very readily be questioned from the neutral standpoint of logic (which means that non-believers have very little to poke holes in) and come out almost unscathed. The primary argument you'd have to diss-prove is how a religion that has existed for 2 thousand years which has resulted in the most terrifying bloodshed in all of humanity is superior to a religion that has existed for 4 thousand years with (accordinding to what I know) not one recorded offensive religious war. Four thousand years... When I went to India I went to a Budhist temple on top of a mountain that was resurrected at just about the same time Jesus was crucified. Think about that. Budhists were meditating and creating this magnificent temple in the side of a mountain while Jews were crucifying Jesus. Christianity was created AFTER that.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

AOD: I would love to be able to present why I beleive the bible to be true but every time I post something it gets deleted because it is deemed unfit for this board.

Decius: Why dont you raise questions about what I posted and we can have a rational discussion about it.

Why dont you put a defence of Budhism and lets examine the evidence? That would be very constructive.

You know I could post what I posted before and then others who may wish to read it can? what do you say?

""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

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Given the past history of Christianity which statistically makes peaceful religions such as Budhism more attractive, what can you tell me that logically makes it realistic for me to choose Christianity over any of these other religions?

1. You cannot explain why I should have faith in Christianity by using the bible as a factual reference (ie, the bible says this, or Jesus said that)

2. You must address the fact that Budhism is thousands of years older that Christianity, preaches one-ness with everyone and everything (thereby removing all prejudices), and why Christian doctrines are superior even though they openly preach prejudice (in regards to gays and prostitues)

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"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

is christianity being refered to here as the philosophy of the christ, or its dogmatic, overly politicized present day perspective? because it appears to me that the philosophy of christ himself was quite similar to budhist philosophy. both being philosophies of oneness, inaction,and complacency. and if christianity is being refered to as its present form, i would argue that title in and of its self is erroneous.christianity has not been christianity since jesus of nazareth died.

"dont got one"

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its dogmatic, overly politicized present day perspective

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"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

Why then are you not willing to discuss it. In all this it is you that is coming across as closed minded. What in what I have said has offended you so much?

""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

You asked for a question, I've posed one. Stop mucking about and answer it.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."