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Lets just stand back a minute. Assuming people are hierachial by nature, which, by nature we are (take a look of school kids) then whats the problem with having a hierachy in democracy. Democracy doesn't work. People are different.
The problem is not hierarchy, its abuse of power, torture, war, murder, rape, drugging, and genocide. Its about people accepting a government that lies so they can't know the truth while accepting an endless global war because they are scared and angry.
Its about humanity, morality, common sense, and survival.
You speak as though we have to know what the truth is to take any action. The problem you are going to get with this mentality is that the truth is being hijacked by national security, and we will never be allowed to know.
The best hope we have is of leaked information from insiders, whistleblowers, documents, history, and education in these things.
When members of the FBI are sueing Bush for blocking Al-Qaida and Bin Laden investigations, we need to know their claims and evidence. But they are being gagged by national security. The information is usually let out at some point though, often when they are first bringing it up. And so it is out there, but people's reactive response to such conspiracy keep them from looking or believing, even in the possibility.
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Politics sucks. It always has it always will.
Politics sucks a lot less when transparency exists, lies and corruption don't complicate the delicacies of general efforts for survival and progress nearly as badly.
Its a lot better when we have people trained to investigate somewhat uneccessarily complicated legislative process, while being a source of media that is not controlled by interests that stand to lose profit from such investigation.
These are things that we actually made laws to prevent, those laws have been broken and now altered.
Is it or is it not a fact that we are currently involved in a proclaimed, generational, hundred years, endless war of our own creation?
Does that not equal forced global hegemony, is that not what Hitler did?
This isn't rocket science. He claimed he was doing god's work and the right thing too.
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Money is a finite source. Therefore some will have more, some less.
No, its not. Money is a fabricated substance, a tool to rate the trade worth of goods, services, and resources.
It happens to be a powerful tool, and a dangerous weapon if in the wrong hands. Our money creation and distribution is controlled by private interests. The Federal Reserve bank has nothing to do with the federal government, accept its power over it.
Those in control of money creation and distribution have power over every thing reliant upon fiat currency. Coupled with our current credit based system of banking, money creation, and military industrial/government corporate interests all coming together under a shrinking number of individuals, create a great imbalance of power and checks and balance systems.
Yes, as we have noted, we never had a democracy, we had a democratic republic designed with checks and balances built in to prevent Tyranny of any kind.
But we are losing that to a fascist authoritarian plutocracy. Fascism is little more than a government and corporate merger.
Which leads to this point.
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Communism in its essence didn't work because in order for human to act humanely, we need a little law an order
No, that is completely incorrect. What communist governments do you know of that do not enforce a governmental and often military police state? Communism is economy controlled by a one party government, also known as a fascist dictatorship.
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Perhaps governments are all working together at the highest level but oppose one another more at different horizontals and heights. If so, there is still little we can do.
We are the majority, and though these laws are being changed, we were even given the moral and legal obligations and avenues to stand up to resistance of majority's rule. The government and military are made up of human beings being lied to as well, nothing is all corrupt, this is fixable.
As citizens we simply need to stop letting ourselves be lied to, because we seek the truth so we can act right?
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If so, there is still little we can do. Because they'll just hammer harder if its true to start with.
We are all going to die, how we live is what matters.
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Because they'll just hammer harder if its true to start with. That's a catch 22. Maybe with enough people believing, yes, maybe. But put a bullet to someones head and they soon shut up.
That goes both ways. Its why we were meant to protect our right to bear arms.
Right now in China a police state is mowing down people who resist their homes and farms being taken. (while we simultaneously pass Eminent Domain laws, remember that debate?) They are running into machine guns with hoes and shovels, I've seen footage.
They are imprisoning political dissenters and harvesting organs, torturing and killing. We are arresting dissenters here to defend their honor. We are imprisoning record numbers at record rates. We have sold China our production jobs, sending droves of workers instantly into poverty.
We are leaving borders open during a time of war, allowing millions of illegal immagrants to come to our country and be exploited at the cost of our own jobs and rates of pay and benefits. While we have a hushed drug war on our border forcing states to call for a state of emergency (which allows for martial law) due to violence by the mexican army, american controlled mexican militants and drug runners etc.
There are also mexican radicals and extremists coming across that specifically want to reclaim all land lost in Mexican American wars. That is a national security threat that is not being addressed, media blackouts and or spin, government legislation leaning towards total amnesty without reprecussions to abusive and negligent business and government actions.
In a time when we are cracking down on dissent, free speach, and implementing domestic spying. That could all be pulled from any Nazi manifesto, Communist Russia or China, any of it.
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The problem is people are startying to learn the alternatives, the faults without even knowing what the original story was in the first place.
This is true, but its a problem because they are being lied to and made ignorant to the truth.
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Its just assumed the Illumanti wanted to control people so they put mind controls out there, or put flouride in our water, or aspartame in our drinks, or monitor us through the internet...
Illuminati assertions are irrelevant to the fact of the existance these particular documented occurances.
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I agree that some things are bad for us. Like the reasons for going to war, etc. But if you want people to listen and not think your just a plain idiot or whacko, then just state why its bad for you.
That's been done, people forget, deny, ignore, become lethargic and apathetic, and want to know why its happening, and you end up spinning in circles.
At some point you have to look towards those answers, the sources, their intentions. What happens once you learn fluoride is bad, you sound like and idiot and a whacko. It doesn't matter if you associate it to intentional conspiracy or not. Germany trying to take over the world and implementing fluoride water treatment tactics to subdue, sterilize, and dumb down prisoners with plans to use it as chemical/biological warfare is a government conspiracy, I'm sorry. The fact that Bush's grandfather Prescott while a US senator worked with and for Nazi's and tried even to, with the Dupont Family and others, assassinate our president, overthrow our government, and institute a fascist dictatorship modeled after Hitler's, as discovered by a whistle blowing and highly decorated Military General Smedley Butler and the resultant Congressional investigation, is neither my fault nor reason to consider me idiotic or whacko.
Nor is the fact that W. is being sued by members of the FBI for blocking investigations into his families known business partners, Bin Laudens and Saudi Royal family, in the wake of 9/11 while evidence of terrorist funding, CIA ties (like Osama himself, let alone the Bushes or the Nazi origins of the OSS and CIA).
Our covert aiding and creations of foreign terrorist groups patsied for our terrorist ways are not my fault nor my creation. From Al-Qaida to the Taliban, Saddam to Pinochet, this was not me nor information from me, but from insider whistleblowers. I can't help that you and others have to dismiss and deny the frightening reality of how we act in the world. That you feel because its not what you see outside your front door, yet, than it just can't be.
All while hypocritically believing just that story about any other country or power deemed enemy of the state.
I could vomit every time I hear such things.
Who is the one world super power known today, who is the one starting an endless global war (World War III or IV counting the cold war), who held drills before and on the very day of 9/11 of exact 9/11 events and others and lied about it in famous speaches denoting no one could have imaged planes as weapons. Where did the Anthrax come from that "attacked and terrorized" our media and senate?
And you are right, this list doesn't ever end, we keep adding to it every day, we have to rediscover history to get through all the lies. We blame and label others for disrupting our piece of mind by simply relaying information.
I don't care what people call the groups of people that do or don't work fully together, or what they call themselves. I just hear we are torturing, killing, warring, creating laws ensuring the rights of corporations and government centralized power while diminishing those of the citizens. That our foriegn policies are genocidal and empirical.
And it just isn't enough to say, "Hey, thats bad", you have to also tell those who are doing it to stop.
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Think about the human condition a bit more, and its easier to get heard. As for what actually caused something, its very difficult to know unless you are sure.
I'm sure that corroborated evidence of claims of insider whistleblowers have determined that elements within our government are commiting global atrocities and destroying worldwide national soveriengty under the cloaks of righteouness, piety, justice, freedom, patriotism, democracy, secrecy, and National Security.
I've first hand witnessed televised speaches of our government leaders saying we have begun a generational world war.
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So, for me personally, I dont believe in the Illumanti.
Doesn't matter, global organized crimes are being commited, regardless of what names groups go by.
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For sure I'm sure there are powerful people out there with huge business interests. But if you think about this, in principle its no different to when a son takes over his father's business.
No. Taking over a business is legal, taking over a corrupt business and allowing it to continue, or corrupting a business is criminal.
There is quite a difference.
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Sure we may be living a lie, but we don't know the primary intent behind it all.
History would tell us that some will simply stop at nothing to dominate everything. And that those who are that meglomanical are generally inhumane and willing to bypass morality and ethics for unbalanced power.
This is no different than any other world domination scheme other than they have gotten smarter about information and opinion control.
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Think of what the Eastern countries would be like if they ruled the world. Think of what Sudaam would be like if he ruled the world.
Your talking about countries who's policies are ignored and accepted by the only world super powers who co-opt them through business negotiations or else dominate them by military force.
When we invade foreign countries, again, its usually because they are trying to nationalize their resources while rejecting foreign military presence in attempt to stand up to world corruption.
This is from the mouths of CIA agents, DEA, FBI, Senator's, Congressmen, you name it.
Quit getting stuck on Illumaniti and stick to the facts and insider information. Listen to all sides, but remember who has the power, authority, motivation to get away with lying to the world, its not the whistleblowers, especially not anymore, Bush has hacked away at whistleblower protection rights, while of course setting records for medals, awards, and promotion to individuals who are guilty of the very least criminal negligence, but more evidence points towards collusion, as long as they tow the line.
I didn't drape assholes with medals after 9/11 for fucking up and or commiting crimes, while firing and gagging whistleblowers.
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There are limits we mustimpose on ourselves.
Yes, as well as on our governments, or those who would harm others, which too often turn out to be one in the same.
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Whats "the real world as a primary source"?
When you talk to people face to face. Watch birds, have sex, exercise, listen to music. Enjoy life-stop thinking everything is doom and gloom.
Go to Iraq, Darfur, China, South Africa, you name it. We've been involved in so many covert and overt wars, revolutions, again, you name it.
Go to big industrial American cities where Production plants galore are shut down or shipped to China, where ILLEGAL immagrant labor has driven down wages and taken jobs and careers from under Americans.
Look at the legislation and enforcement tactis and policies that are pushing for this, their sources, the abused and reported on loopholes, look at who is gaining power and profits from these acts, while always calling for more.
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That goes both ways. Its why we were meant to protect our right to bear arms.
Right now in China a police state is mowing down people who resist their homes and farms being taken. (while we simultaneously pass Eminent Domain laws, remember that debate?) They are running into machine guns with hoes and shovels, I've seen footage.
"The Secret Behind China's Economy"
http://www.captaincynic.com/thread/64561/china_our_new_best_friend.htm
"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
[ Edited by Ironwood at
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