"It's not all relative"

"It's not all relative" [+ favourites]

Can we make accurate generalizations about people? Sex roles (ie a man's job vs. a woman's job)?

Been debating this with a classmate. When is something relative and when is it universal? What is a "real" woman? What is a "real" man? I told my classmate that it was all relative. It depended on who was defining and determining the nature of things.

"How can we be just in a world without mercy and merciful in a world without justice?"

If a male and female are inherently and undebateably different in any way, then these differences must carry along with them different positions. If the differences are only cosmetic and not large then the positions will differ less.

So the question is how are men and women inherently different? The truth in our positions is then determined by that answer.

(for example, if men were born with steel hands and women were not, then it can be concluded that men are supposed to handle rougher objects with their hands than women are)

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

Supposed to....that's what bothers me. The insistence that we do what we are supposed to do. Women have wombs, so we are supposed to have children. Anyone who goes against what they are supposed to do is looked down on, understandably. Sometimes that social control gets out of control and limits freedoms.

"How can we be just in a world without mercy and merciful in a world without justice?"

I don't think people are really looked down on as much as before. Maybe in certain social groups. But men are definitely looked down upon more for doing feminine things than women are for doing manly things.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

What about man being the protector-breadwinner and women being the child-raiser? Can I say that a "true man" should hold his emotions in in order to survive and ensure the survival of his family?

"How can we be just in a world without mercy and merciful in a world without justice?"

Well, in order to say that we would have to conclude that men and women are different in that one is emotional and the other isn't.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

Who is to dictate who behaves how?

"How can we be just in a world without mercy and merciful in a world without justice?"

Logical analysis... begin with the simplest things such as differences in physical characteristics. Compare those physical differences to ones that exist in the animal kingdom to get a general idea of what the purposes of those physical differences are. Based on that we can dedicate certain responsibilities to certain sexes.

Once we do that then we can begin to develop premises to determine different hormonal and psychological characteristics because our minds will most likely match the purposes of our bodies.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

Unless we know why we are here in the first place we will never know what it is we are meant to do.

""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

I wasn't asking about what we were meant to do as much as what we tend to do.

"How can we be just in a world without mercy and merciful in a world without justice?"

Why ask the wrong question. It is much more important to know what we were created to do than just what we tend to do.

""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

Our genitals and testosterone levels create a basis from which reasoning behind our existence can be found. What we tend to do relates strongly to what we should do or not do.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

The words "should" and "meant" throw me off. According to whom should we do these things? What determines what we should do anyway ?

"How can we be just in a world without mercy and merciful in a world without justice?"

Nature.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

It is what it is as well as what you make it.

There are always three sides, one is constant, fixed, a reality created by a power not our own, but never fully understood or seen while always influential as a structural base (black)

Another is always relative, subjective, seen by all, digested by the senses and interpreted differently by every individual mind, even when thought to be in perfect agreement (white)

The last is the mixture of the two, obvious to some, denied by just as many, both definitive and abstract, the miraculously impossibly actual contradiction that is what it is, and it is all things, (grey)

What this means for your questioning Attolia is that there are dimensions that do not restrict any form or function to any one designed, proclaimed, deducted, demanded, meaning or purpose.

A woman can be a woman and even a man or neither, a mother and a barren womb, a breadwinner and a housewife, a rocket scientist and a simple mind, happy and sad, or none of the above.

Boundaries do exist, from any number of sources and creations, but you do not have to abide by them or make them your own, but you can.

One can be a part of a society, but not of their culture, one can share ones culture but choose to grow to something different or new.

Stereotypes exist because people fall in line, exceptions to rule exist because some never will, even though they can.

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Can we make accurate generalizations about people? Sex roles (ie a man's job vs. a woman's job)?

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"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
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