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Depression

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772 Posts / 39M
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heyjme1

Depression [+ favourites]

What do you feel causes depression? How big a serious problem is it? What's the best solution?


""No words""

210 Posts / 33M
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Ancient

Consciousness births isolation. A problem is what you make of it. Deception and distraction.


"Dark and silent and complete."

1676 Posts / 37M
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awakendwraith

so pretend its not there?
yeah. tahts the way to go. pretend and just "forget the pain." thats fucking pathetic, and i hope thats not what you ment. hence the qeustion marks. im asking what you mean.

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Consciousness births isolation

if beeing alone makes you think about things that make you depressed, then maybe you think about those things for a reason and maybe you should be dealing with them instead of avoiding them. and if being alone makes you comfortable, then cool.
but for me, being alone does cause my depression. and the best solution i have found is to not be alone. now you might think that is just avoiding the problem. that i should deal with it. but i understand that being with people makes me happy. and i am ok with being happy. i dont think its weakness, just human.
and its not really a problem, just life.


"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

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2827 Posts / 91M
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Decius

Depression is an incorrect and unnatural state of mind. It exists when the sub-conscious mind contradicts the habitual nervous system.

It is not the result of one universal thing, and is sparked by different things in different people. It is very different than sadness (as anyone depressed would state).

The primary characteristic of true depression is a void of emotion. Depressed people feel nothing. Along with this lack of feeling come lethargy and innactivity.

It is as if the human heart shuts off and you become an empty shell. Without the human heart, hope no longer exists. Without hope, one finds little reason to accomplish anything. This is why it is a very difficult state to escape because the state and its effect (as with insecurity) is self-sustaining.

If you see clockwork orange, you can easily conclude that in a real life situation, the main character would be very depressed after he is released from prison (as is also stated but not adequately depicted in the film). This is because the main character is inherently a sadist but is conditioned habitually to be kind, which causes his emotional system to shut down.

The optimal way to escape depression is to determine what habit (and by the use of the word habit, I extend it not only to physical habits but emotional and mental habits, as well as habits borne to cope with certain relationships around you) contradicts one's sub-conscious desires or goals. In order to achieve this, one must know what their sub-conscious goals are and not be afraid of facing them, given the fact that habits will have to change as a result.

The primary failure of people when they attempt this is that changing habits is often a painful and difficutl process in the short term, and fearing this causes people to avoid facing the truth about their own desires.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

210 Posts / 33M
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Ancient

The truth of the situation is that nothing you do matters unless you want it to matter and so you must do things inbetween what you do to survive in order to keep yourself busy. Dead things don't do stuff and the less you do the closer to death in a sense you are. Although depression isn't unnatural it is contradictory to life.


"Dark and silent and complete."

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awakendwraith

im not ignoring you decius. but a lot of times being romantic is the better way.

wrong. that only pertains if death is what you fear. and if not mattering is unsettling. what if the only thing that you care about is feeling "good?"

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Dead things don't do stuff and the less you do the closer to death in a sense you are

no. ok. try this one on. chickens run around with their heads cut off. and your head is what you think with. therefore, in a sense, if you run around not thinking you are a chickien with your head cut off.
do you see how out there that is and how it doesnt really help the learning process but only insites some dumbass remark. dead things dont do stuff? neither do plants. they live. that is very natural and is not contridictory to life.

right. we know that nothing we do matters unless we want it to. but that doesnt bring us any closer to understanding why we feel depressed when not doing things. you say because we are closer to death. i have yet to find a depressed person that was afraid of death in the least bit.
you say it is unnatural because it brings you closer to death. but there are no universall truths and only self ones. so people that dont have that mind frame and dont think like that will not feel that way. what if to them unnatural is not watching tv. i think it makes more sense to say when someone feels unnstural they get depressed. because when you say its only from feeling closer to death you are forgetting about the people that dont have the capability to contomplate their mortality. but all people contamplate their natural state of being. where they are comfortable. and when they stop becoming comfortable, they start becoming depressed.. i think.


"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

940 Posts / 46M
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Attolia

Is there any point to feeling miserable over whatever you're feeling miserable over? Solutions vary depending on why you're depressed. Sometimes it's better to ignore what you're worrying about because it may be an irrational fear. Other times, you need to face the issue.

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The primary characteristic of true depression is a void of emotion. Depressed people feel nothing.

Then that's not depression. That's the state of apathy. Depression isn't a void of emotion.


"How can we be just in a world without mercy and merciful in a world without justice?"

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Decius

Depression is an often miss-diagnosed problem. Apathy is indifference.... you are not indifferent when you are depressed.

Taken literally there is no such thing as a void of emotion, so I will specify.

There are raging emotions underneath the surface that attempt to breathe, but are unable to because of the habitual conditioning of the nervous system.

As a result one feels the existance of emotions, but cannot vent them or access them or even recognize them.

This is what I mean by a void of emotion.... Although apathy is not related in any way. Apathy is indifference.

When you are depressed you do not wish to be depressed, yet cannot really see why or how you will escape it.

You could categorize it as sadness, but sadness is different, because sadness is a recognizable emotion.

Depression is unpleasant because it denotes an inability to freely "feel".


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

772 Posts / 39M
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heyjme1

Good points here. I think that tiny word 'hope' is the solution to depression, and by that note, maybe events that lead one to see the lack of hope causes depression.


""No words""

178 Posts / 59M
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kevosworld

I dont think depression is that big of a problem. Many intellectuals have it. Darwin, Edvard Munch, Beethoven, etc. All of them stated that it help fuel their creativity and progress. So i say embrace the depression and work on.


"How on earth are you ever going to explain in terms of chemistry and physics so important a biological phenomenon as first love?"

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Decius

What you have demonstrated is a correlation, not causality. The very traits that lead to weaknesses in depression may cause strengths in creativity even though the depression itself hinders it.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

210 Posts / 33M
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Ancient

Yes I write my best poetry when I am depressed.


"Dark and silent and complete."

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curious123

yeah when im depressed i also write poetry...you dont hesitate with what you're going to write because everything you do write comes directly from the heart and the emotions you're feeling at that vulnerable time.
what ive wondered for a while now is how taking anti-depressants could possibly help?? i mean...depression can be about how you look at yourself and perceive everything and that is controlled by the mind...how can something possibly control your mind and your thoughts?? if you dont like the way you look for example, anti-depressants cant change the way you look...its not like anti-depressants causes an illusion that makes you think you look better than you once thought you did...


""every advance in knowledge faces us with the mystery of our own being""

281 Posts / 20M
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Chiron

Decuis I am so knocked out with your answers about Depression; I think you are absolutely right!
Depression is such a misdiagnosed thing. And mostly, what I am seeing is Anger, and people (including therapists) diagnosing Anger as Depression.
But it's better to call things by their real name, much more pro-active. At least this way, one has a better chance facing up to things, and making choices/change.

I think half the world may on anti-depressants just for anger!
We need to ask ourselves why are so many people angry today, and if our Western society grows unrealistic expectations?


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