Jesus's death was faked

I am not that anxious. I am not attempting to convince. I am questioning peoples' existing views.

"The summit is just a halfway point"

Allright. Another question: if history is so unreliable, why did you talk about Ceasar crossing the Rubicon so much? And if nothing is absolute, while this may be nice to think and comforting to believe, It makes for very poor debate, as everyone would just say everyone was right and be done. Also, let me ask this: is it a relative truth that there is a war in Iraq now? Is it a relative truth that over 3,000 people died on 9/11/2001? Are those people only partially (relatively) dead? Do they only appear to be dead to some people? Is my grandpa still walking alive somewhere, despite my watching the coffin be lowered into the grave, indeed, my carrying it there? Do people survive 50. bullets to the head sometimes? Does this website not exist? If these are true, then, and only then, will I begin to consider your ideas. Until you walk my relatively dead grandfather to my door as proof, relative truth is only idle talk.

"Truth is not relative. It is unchanging and eternal"

Also, I read the first line of the link you had in your huge post, and needed no further reading to show something-you copied and pasted that post from the link! I didn't think that it sounded like you, with your complete disdain of history and truth, and it wasn't. If you copy and paste or quote something, give the person you copied credit.

"Truth is not relative. It is unchanging and eternal"

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Jesus maintained His physical human body. He did not go back to Heaven and become spirit....He did rise from the dead His soul would have returned to His corpse and made it live again
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Now your contradicting yourself. Jesus's body apparently physically disappeared. In the bible, it says that Jesus was resurrected.

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"Truth is not relative. It is unchanging and eternal"

I dont know about relative truth but I believe nothing can be certain. Anything is possible kind fellow.
Everyone believes in something.
If atheist choose to take this reality we are in precedent over a belief then that is fine. It makes sense to use the reality we have now to position a belief because we are actually here.
If a theist wants to believe this is all fake or created temporarily thats fine also.
If I want to believe you are a monkey randomly hitting a keyboard in perfect sequence with what Im saying then thats cool too.
If we are dreaming or are actually living the matrix thats fine because anything is possible.
Anything.
Much <3

"Anything is Possible when you think illogically."

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No, Jesus body wasn't in the grave. Explain how he contradicted himself. All he said is that Jesus still has his body, which explains why it isn't in the grave. He, still in His body, ascended into Heaven. No contradiction that I can see.

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"Anything is Possible when you think illogically."

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Another question: if history is so unreliable, why did you talk about Ceasar crossing the Rubicon so much?

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Also, let me ask this: is it a relative truth that there is a war in Iraq now? Is it a relative truth that over 3,000 people died on 9/11/2001? Are those people only partially (relatively) dead? Do they only appear to be dead to some people? Is my grandpa still walking alive somewhere, despite my watching the coffin be lowered into the grave, indeed, my carrying it there? Do people survive 50. bullets to the head sometimes? Does this website not exist? If these are true, then, and only then, will I begin to consider your ideas. Until you walk my relatively dead grandfather to my door as proof, relative truth is only idle talk

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No, Jesus body wasn't in the grave. Explain how he contradicted himself. All he said is that Jesus still has his body, which explains why it isn't in the grave. He, still in His body, ascended into Heaven. No contradiction that I can see.

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its illogical and thus contradictory as Zato mentioned.

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"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

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How is it illogical for God to lay claim to a body? Jesus died and His spirit left a dead body, then He returned to said body and was resurrected.

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honseslty as i said before, weather summit contradicts himself, or wether u have asteong piont of veiw over the physical resuection of jesus ect. What ever u say in this world is pure speculation. eg. u clearly think he had a physical resrection others think differsrntly, in your mind you are absoliutely right, to others u r wrong. to them they r right. Speculation my good fellows, a man once said to fly u must be lighter than air, 2 days later the wright brothers take to air. Speculation on the matter, thats all.

Timmo

"There is no such thing as innocence obly degrees of guilt"

I read part of your link. No more was needed, as I am quite familiar with evolution. Lets put it this way. The simplest form of ameoba has information in its nucleus equal to 1000 volumes of the Encyclopedia Britanica. The claim that this information was created randomly is equal to the claim that an explosion in a print shop creating 1000 volumes of the Encyclopedia Britanica. It just doesn't happen. Also, the genetic code is a language. Not just a good analogy, or a mathematic similarity, but a language. Please, tell me if spanish becomes recreated by a random explosion in space. Plus, if evolution is true, then human thought is just random chemical reactions. If this is so, then thought is discredited as being a source of knowledge. If this is so, then tell me, how did we discover evolution. By thought. So then, evolution discredits itself. I have plenty more proof, but I don't feel like writing it all down.

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Those events that you refer to, may be individual truth to many, yet that doesn't qualify or even justify them as an universal absolute. Yet it only becomes individual relative truth if it is part of one's reality. If you are confused or wish to discuss this topic godsnotanidea, there are certainly other appropriate threads to do so.

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its illogical and thus contradictory as Zato mentioned.

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godisnotanidea: You obviously read the wrong post. I was refering to this:
Jesus dying for our sins cannot be logically supported as God's motives are illogical. If one believes that Jesus died for our sins this is an illogical choice.

So if God can make plans, think logically or exist, then logic is an arch-power that encompasses God and gives reason for god's existence which appears to refute the idea that God could be the creator of logic.

The God as first-cause argument is slightly undermined. If there is no logical reason why God exists then it is more likely that there is no logical reason why the Universe exists, or why Jesus died for our sins, and that instead of assuming that the organisational force is a 'god', it's simpler and more rational to assume that it is the universe itself.

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The claim that this information was created randomly is equal to the claim that an explosion in a print shop creating 1000 volumes of the Encyclopedia Britanica.

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is discredited as being a source of knowledge

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we need to establish whe fact that truth exists

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What is contradictory about it

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Is logic real or not, summit?

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God holds the ability to be logical or illogical as He sees fit. To be able to chose logic or not is greater than being forced to behave one way or the other. God exists because He wants to. For Him to want to connect to His creation is rather illogical. But love is often illogical why should anyone ever care about anyone but themselves? Love causes undue amounts of pain. Living is also an illogical choice if you do not wish to feel pain. Logic has its advantages but anyone who is only logical has no feelings.

"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

Bubbism is a little different then other religions because it can actually be logical, even though all the answers are not clearly seen.

But I think Budda and Jesus were just different tools from the same tool box.

The death of Jesus is just about as stupid as you can get, but people are not logical and thats why sometimes one must be a myrtr inorder to spread a teaching.

I'm not so sure what to think about the resurection of Jesus, I'm half tempted to believe the story is made up - but I must study it carefully before I really decide on this.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

Good, I can use logic. Before, and on a different thread, you refused to accept first principles, which are the core of all logic. Now, how exactly does that make logic one of your beliefs? Please explain this to me, as I am curious as to how you can reject the core of something and still claim the rest.

I mentioned evolution because YOU MADE A LINK TO A THREAD ABOUT EVOLUTION!!! Obviously, this brings evolution under fire, which is why I attempted to refute it.

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Thought is a mechanism to gather, extract and absorb, *reason and reflect knowledge within the brain.
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"Truth is not relative. It is unchanging and eternal"