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Lack of spiritual men

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Attolia

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A university I read about has a spiritual center with spiritual activities like meditation sessions, yoga classes, religious activities, multifaith groups etc. The director of the spiritual center reports that more women come to these activities than men.

It got me thinking. Are men less in tune with their spiritual feelings? (I doubt it, but I'd like to hear other opinions)


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Decius

Men are more influenced by society's pressure to be "manly" by the definition imposed by society that is the most controllable, predictable, and profitable.

Meditating men do not drink beer or spend money on boobie mags or new clothes or hair gel or manicures or drive fast cars.


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sleepingwraith

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Decius

If you see value in material things that are symbols of materialistic superiority, you don't know how to meditate and are not spiritual.

By definition spirituality negates valuing material objects. Devaluating material objects is bad for business.


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Jacker_Jones

Yes sure there are exceptions to what decius said, there's always exceptions. But, in the most part he's right usually people that are spiritual just feel they don't really need that. But, there's nothing wrong with being manly either it's just a different lifestyle.


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Attolia

The reason I asked this question is because I wanted to know how to attract men to becoming more spiritual. I've got 3 brother and I would like them to be spiritual. I won't force them, but how do I show them that a spiritual lifestyle is great and something to pursue?


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etherealmeekle

By living it. If they see what you gain by living spiritually then they will also want to gain the same things. However if they see no benefits or differences then why bother?


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Attolia

What about on a larger scale? What if I want to attract members of a community to be more spiritual? Is it even possible to do that?


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etherealmeekle

The same way. People rarely respond to anything except actions so demonstrate to everyone you meet and then they will decide wethere they want it or not.


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summit

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If you see value in material things that are symbols of materialistic superiority, you don't know how to meditate and are not spiritual.

Decius: I hope you know your making a huge generalization. There are many different forms and practices of meditation, that make no connection to emphatically rejecting contemporary materialism.



Attolia: 'spirituality' is biologically natural in human minds. It is not gender-based. Thats not to say that all humans sense it, because, in order to contain 'spirituality' it firstly needs to be stimulated. Spirituality is not an essentialist realm of the mind, yet it can be important. Diverse education in theologies and/or practices of 'spirituality' would be the obvious option, if you want people to explore their spirituality. 'Spiritual' understanding should be the first approach. Appreciating 'spirituality'- the second approach; can be the difficult and rather a lengthy process. However it shouldn't be forced.


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Decius

Attiola: Despite what many may think in a politically correct sense, there is only one true end result of meditation. And that is unison with the universe. This will always lead to less attachment to the material world.

This is why spirituality often follows a loss for a person is then forced to find peace of mind when he or she cannot rely on the material world for satisfaction.

From my personal experience, spirituality does naturally attract followers because everyone actually does want to be free of the things that own them.

I would have to agree with ethereal... showing by example is a very effective way of enticing spirituality because that is the only way to attain true happiness. When people see that true happiness, they yearn for it.

But most people define their identity with the things they have or own... so it is very difficult to be very successful. But it will work with older people because older people have suffered more loss and are therefore more open to not relying on the material world as much as younger people would be.


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takemeseriously

Meditation and spirituality do not have to be wedded with a sober lifestyle. The Beat Generation(who were mostly men) drank beer and used concentrated substances and were intensely spiritual. Drugs are used by hundreds of tribes to attain spiritual enlightenment and meditate. Drugs have helped play an important role in spirituality in the past and present.


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etherealmeekle

The concept of drug induced meditation is ridiculous. Obviously people think they experience spirituality when intoxicated or high. Real meditation should come from the actual spiritual realm not so cheap substitute.


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takemeseriously

Well, etherealmeekle, that is debatable. I've read lots of accounts of people achieveing increased spiritual awareness through both mediums of drug-induced and sober meditation. What's your argument to support your opinion? Also, what's the different between "real" meditation and fake, "cheap" meditation?


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Decius

Agreed completely. Substance based "spirituality" is a paradox because you rely on a material world object to entice spirituality.

That spirituality is as legitimate as the spirituality one might get when they go shopping.

However, using substance to break the initial bridge into the spiritual realm might be useful as long as one does not rely on the substance for subsequent meditative moments.


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