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Infinite universes from Matter and Anti-Matter

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Furie

Infinite universes from Matter and Anti-Matter [+ favourites]

Furie’s theory on... everything

This is just something I thought of and have come to belive that it might be true.
These thoughts are mainly based around antimatter,infinity and probability.

To understand what im basing this on you will need to know what antimater is.
Antimater is as it sounds the oposite of matter. That is to say the atom with the same amount of protons,neutrons and elektrons, the difrense being that the whole atom has the oposite charge. When matter and anti mater comes in contact it creates pure energy. And the oposite is equaly true, that if you have alot of energy you can create antimater. If you whant to read more about it go to:
http://livefromcern.web.cern.ch/livefromcern/antimatter/factory/AM-fact
ory00.html


Now that we have gotten that out of the way. The theory I have goes something like this.
In a beginning (not THE) the universe was filled with void and pure energy (void being vacume). Since energy tends not to do nothing it did something. Mainly after a while it create a big bang. The energy became matter and antimatter. Both matters spread out, most destroying eachoter, some flying away. The matter that was left made our Universe.

Theorys sugest depending on how powerful the blast was our universe can ither A) expand forever thus ending in a cold and drained universe, or B) expand until the gravitational pull pulls the matter back again and our universe colapsing on itself, or C) expand just enugh then stop, thus leaving our universe that size. (lets hope for C ey? )

I belive in that in case B) that the universe will revert back to energy again (what about A and C?, getting to that).

What I whant to sugest is something that is quite hard to swallow since almost all our experinces goes against it. What if the universe was infinit. Not our universe that was created by the big bang. But the universe outside of that. The total unverse containing energy adn void. Not only that, If the universe is infinit. Since our universe was able to be created, others must have been able to been created aswell. And I dont only mean in space, but in time. That is to say before our universe was created and after our universe has ended.

But how was the “pure energy” created? What I whant to state is. Why must it have been created at all? Our universe that is infinit has no begining where it could have been created. So this Energy has just always been and will always be (in one form or another).

So what im imagening is that we have a universe filled with universes (sorry.. dont really know how to separate those meanings) and energy. Also matter and antimatter left over from other universes that has colapsed or thined out (or even smaller big bangs). Some universes might even be made out of antimatter. But at large I think our universe is made out of void. Mush like how atoms are mostly made out of empty space (void!).

So how our universe after that works is just left to probability and the laws of physics (gravity and so forth). So we have a universe that evolves to have stars and planets. And planets that evolves to have life.

And that is basicly where we are now. In a universe (not our >.< ) that has always been, so when we are is hard to say. And in a universe that is infinit in size, so it is hard to say where.
Everything that has the slightest chanse of happening has already happened and will happen again.

These thought are actualy making me kinda depressed. So I would would only be happy if someone could pointout a glaring flaw in it. (but please, be kind on the spelling and grammer. This is not my main language. And I’m already bad at spelling in my own.)

Also I wouldnt mind knowing if anyone else has had simelar thoughts.

/Furie out.




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Decius

*please make your titles more specific to what you're trying to say, not just the fact that it's your theory.

Assuming that what you are saying is true (and there isn't any evidence pointing to why it may not be true) and irrelevent of anti-matter or matter, these are the conclusions i get from your theory:

1. Everything is pre-determined based on the science of mathematics and all the initial premises were created when the source patch of energy exploded and split into matter and anti-matter.

2. Since this has probably not only happened for us, it has happened for an infinite number of universes before us, during us, and will happen after us.

3. Every single possibility of thought or action has already been experienced and will be experienced again in the vast infinite number of universes within universes.

It's a good theory, and from a scientific and theological point of view cannot be diss-proven.

But why would you get depressed about that? If anything, your theory points to a few beautiful and glaring truths:

1. You are a part of the universe, just as anyone else is, and the particles that make you up existed eons ago when they were just energy.

2. You are made up of energy and when you leave the world of matter you will resume being energy.

3. There is a purpose to your existance since you are part of the entire mechanical process that is cause and effect that has been occurring for eons.

If anything, it should make you smile to know that you are a block, an integral block that exists and has purpose and more importantly than anythign else, are INTEGRAL in the events that will proceed you.

Not only that, but think of all the hundreds, thousands, millions of little atoms that had to go in a specific direction to make a million different influences for you to exist and talk and even think about what you are thinking.


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awakendwraith

your bassicly saying that theres anather thing we should classify. lets start with planets. then solar systems, then galaxys, then cluster's, then "a" universe, and stuff that all in a bigger univers. that i like to call an omniverse. and yeah, i've thought of that. ...... oh and nice first post.


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awakendwraith

he's depressed 'cuase he doesn't want to believe in fate, but he has to. right?


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Furie

Thanx for correcting the title firstly.

Actualy I have already had the thought about the fact that everything should be mathematicly possible to calculate if we knew all the laws of physics and we knew of all matter and could track it somehow.

the place where this falls is infinity again, Or what people call the Chaos theory.

Chaos theory states that the smallest change can have a great outcome in a big mathematical system. That is to say.. that reality has alot of things hapening.

now lets take a lok at a number.. lets say... 1/3.. what is that? 0,3333333333333333333333333 and so on forever..

if we take away just one decimal.. it can have a great inpact on the final equation.. and since many numbers (most) has infinit decimals like that one.. it would imposible to calculate the result. Most numbers cant be put in to a nicly 1/3 or simelar ither.

this is also basicly why we cant predict the wheather


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Furie

oh and Decius. thanx for those points you made ^^


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Decius

But infinity is only incalculable by us.

Assume an entity that does know all these premises, to a 100% certainty.

In essence, if this entity knew the nature of the original energy patch, it would also know how the explosion would occur, and where every little fragment of matter or anti-matter would go.

This is to say that although we don't know it, and it is infinity to us, our place in this universe is limited to existing in it without really knowing everything about it.

But it is possible that something does know everything about it.


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Furie

Yeah your right. For us today it is impsosible to calculate infinitiv numbers. But it doesnt mean it we whont always be able to.

On the other hand it may a fundematal law of the universe. We dont know. Doesnt mean we shouldt try to find out tho.


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awakendwraith

decius, i think your wrong. just becuase it knows why, or has the power to, doesn't mean it completly under stands. what if the origin is extremely immature. with great power doesn't always come reasponsibility. it could have easily missed that part. imagine you kinda understand a gun. and that you are a good shot. that doesn't mean when you hit a tree you know where every peice of bar k will fly. you dont exactly know where it will ricochet, who it will kill, how many family members they have, thier incom, so on and so fourth. not trying to be rude, i just think your wrong.


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Decius

It's not a question of wrong or right. I didn't say that is the way it is... I said that's the way it could be. And you can't state I'm wrong because you don't have evidence that definitely diss-proves the possibility of what I said.

It is definitely possible that the universe was created by something that has immense power without immense intelligence... however, if we use "survival" as a guide, it is unlikely that any entity that exists in existance (especially one that is older than infinity) survived as long as it did without immense intelligence. As time progresses, strength will always be over-ridden by intelligence... so by definition the older a species or entity is, the more likely it is that they are intelligent.

Hence, an entity that is older than infinity is likely infinitely intelligent.


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awakendwraith

i didn't say you are wrong, i said i think. and what if because its so powerfull, it has never had to survive simply live.
in of mice and men. the "slow" cousin never survived, he lived. he died to, but that was because of someone else that posed a certain threat to him. what if the origin is the origin, and has no one else around. what danger would it be in.


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Decius

The only frame of reference we have is our own existance. Hence, if the universe outside ours is anything like ours, then an entity of grand might would most likely have evolved into that state, and not simply existed from the beginning as that state.

What you're saying, again, is possible, but more unlikely since everything intelligent in our world and universe seems to eventually become superior in might to things that are less intelligent.


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awakendwraith

and how do you know so much about the rest of the univers?


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Decius

it is scientific logic that leads to the conclusion that might is stagnant, whereas intelligence permits might to be dynamic. This means that while a mighty entity may exist on a flat horizontal curve (such as y=10) and an intelligent person starts at -10 but increases by 2 every day, then the intelligent person's curve would be y=2x-10.

If you draw those curves, you will see that after 10 days the intelligent person will equate the mighty person.

This is all based on the premise that an intelligent person will undoubtedly somehow find a way to become more powerful if he wants to. I think that's pretty much undeniable in a majority of the cases.


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awakendwraith

the origin is supposed to be more powerfull than anyone could imagine. or do you disagree with this to. and simply out of curiosity how did you come up with this eqation, and omg how are there no variables, we are talking about the origin. there should be variables.


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