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Is This Freedom? - Page 2

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 42yrs • M
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Here's the video footage of Police breaking demonstrators arms and using other pain manipulation, also known as mild forms of torture, nun-chucks, threats of rape and humiliation, etc. etc.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2005/230205brutaltruth.htm

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 42yrs • M
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What happens if you protest Haliburton?

(Quicktime= Slow load)
http://houston.indymedia.org/uploads/horsepigs2.mov

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 42yrs • M
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Man arrested for wearing Grinch mask

WHEELING, W.Va. - A man is in trouble with the law for wearing a Grinch mask in public.

Norman Gray, who was stopped by police on Tuesday, was told to take the mask off and not put it on again.

Police say Gray took the mask off and asked why he couldn't wear it. After officers told him that wearing masks in public is illegal, he reportedly put the mask back on and said he didn't believe it. advertisement

Gray was then arrested and the mask confiscated.

http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/0526grinch26-ON.html

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"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
 42yrs • M
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This is more amusing than relevant, either MTV is now run by a bunch of pussies or they aren't much fans of free speach or artistic and political expression, that or their scared of the Bush.

Nine Inch Nails Drop Out Of MTV Awards Over Bush Dispute

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1503082/20050527/story.jhtml

"Nine Inch Nails will not be performing at the MTV Movie Awards as previously announced. We were set to perform 'The Hand That Feeds' with an unmolested, straightforward image of George W. Bush as the backdrop," Reznor wrote.

"Apparently, the image of our president is as offensive to MTV as it is to me."

That's some funny shit.

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 42yrs • M
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Shocking New Developments In Supreme Court vs. Homeowners Case
News Media Blackout On 'Revving Bulldozers,' Intimidation And Harassment Of New London Residents

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/240605newdevelopments.htm

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 42yrs • M
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Ah, freedom in the UK, but I'm sure we'll share.

More innocents could be shot: UK police
July 25, 2005 - 5:59AM

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British police say more members of the public could be shot in error as the hunt escalated for four men who tried to blow up London's transport system last week.

The warning comes after police, who are engaged in one of the biggest manhunts in British history, mistakenly shot dead a Brazilian man on Friday, thinking he was a suicide bomber.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/More-innocents-could-be-shot-UK-poli
ce/2005/07/25/1122143752702.html?oneclick=true

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 42yrs • M
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HOUSTON Houston's police chief is suggesting putting surveillance cameras in apartment complexes, downtown streets and even private homes.

http://www.kten.com/Global/story.asp?S=4508858


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 42yrs • M
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Brief video footage of NSA whistle-blower testimony.

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002432.htm

On Tuesday, a former NSA employee, Russell Tice, testified before the House Government Reform Subcommittee on National Security, Emerging Threats and International Relations. Tice told the committee that he was concerned that undisclosed domestic spying programs were far more widespread than the recently exposed Bush/NSA warrantless wiretap program.

One or more still classified "Special Access" surveillance program may be monitoring the communications of "millions of Americans". While Tice could not share classified details of the program(s), he believes that the Constitution and FISA laws are being violated.

An article published by UPI has more information about the widespread domestic surveillance programs.

The hearings focused on protection for whistleblowers and a pattern of retaliations by the Bush Administration. This article from the Christian Science Monitor provides an excellent summary of testimony from whistleblowers appearing before the committee.


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 42yrs • M
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New Wingnut Meme: Sedition Law Needed

Booman Tribune | February 21 2006

Sedition is a word with a long, and embarrassing, history in the United States, beginning with the "Alien and Sedition Acts" passed by our second President, John Adams, and used to arrest a number of newspaper publishers who supported opponents of Adams' Federalist party. Fortunately for the country, the law expired on the last day of Adam's first (and only) term in office.
Sadly, Adams was not the last president to suppress dissent through the use of laws against sedition. Woodrow Wilson, during World War I, enforced two laws, the Espionage Act and the Sedition Act, that provided for the arrest of anyone who expressed antiwar or anti-government opinions. Over 2000 people were arrested, the most famous of which was Socialist spokesman Eugene V. Debs, who was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2006/210206Sedition.htm

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 42yrs • M
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(This one is old news, probably new to most of you though, after it is a new one to add to the pile of freedom)

"Public Servants" Going After "Constitutional Terrorists"?

by Angel Shamaya

November 14, 2001

KeepAndBearArms.com -- The Phoenix Federal Bureau of Investigation created a flyer some time back during Clinton's Presidency, asking the recipients to help them fight domestic terrorism. I received one of these flyers this past weekend at the Arizona "Freedom in the 21st Century" gathering. The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office (Greater Phoenix, Arizona) and the Maricopa County Attorney were placed on the flyer, as well -- before they saw the actual wording of the flyer -- in an effort by the FBI to "work jointly with local law enforcement."

Called the Joint Terrorism Task Force, the program was created, presumably, to help preserve the American way of life. This flyer was created -- by the feds -- to disseminate information about who the bad guys might be. However, its wording made it look like a disinformation campaign to paint at least a few groups of Real Americans as domestic terrorists. Among other things, the FBI was asking people:

"If you encounter any of the following, Call the Joint Terrorism Task Force":

"defenders of the US Constitution against federal government and the UN"

[That describes many civil liberties groups and most gun rights and American Sovereignty groups in existence -- and, by extension, their members.]

"Groups of individuals engaging in para-military training"

[Such as, perhaps, shooting your semi-automatic "assault weapon" with some friends out in the desert?"]

Also being sought are "Common Law Movement Proponents" who

"Request authority for a stop"

[That's illegal now?]

"Make numerous references to the US Constitution"

[That's illegal now?]

"Attempt to 'police the police'"

[That's illegal now?]

And let's not forget the other potential "domestic terrorists" being sought. We really need to watch out for these people:

"Lone Individuals"

[Do you meet that description?]

"Rebels"

[Know any gun rights activist who doesn't have at least a touch of rebel pumping through the old bloodstream?]

Be sure and notice the following two things on the flyer, as well:

1) There is NOT ONE MENTION of "Islamic Fundamentalists" anywhere.

2) Defenders of the US Constitution and the common law from which it grew are being classified on the same level as the bottom-feeding Skinheads, Nazis and the KKK.


READ THE FLYER FOR YOURSELF

"Public Servants" Going After "Constitutional Terrorists"?

by Angel Shamaya

November 14, 2001

KeepAndBearArms.com -- The Phoenix Federal Bureau of Investigation created a flyer some time back during Clinton's Presidency, asking the recipients to help them fight domestic terrorism. I received one of these flyers this past weekend at the Arizona "Freedom in the 21st Century" gathering. The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office (Greater Phoenix, Arizona) and the Maricopa County Attorney were placed on the flyer, as well -- before they saw the actual wording of the flyer -- in an effort by the FBI to "work jointly with local law enforcement."

Called the Joint Terrorism Task Force, the program was created, presumably, to help preserve the American way of life. This flyer was created -- by the feds -- to disseminate information about who the bad guys might be. However, its wording made it look like a disinformation campaign to paint at least a few groups of Real Americans as domestic terrorists. Among other things, the FBI was asking people:

"If you encounter any of the following, Call the Joint Terrorism Task Force":

"defenders of the US Constitution against federal government and the UN"

[That describes many civil liberties groups and most gun rights and American Sovereignty groups in existence -- and, by extension, their members.]

"Groups of individuals engaging in para-military training"

[Such as, perhaps, shooting your semi-automatic "assault weapon" with some friends out in the desert?"]

Also being sought are "Common Law Movement Proponents" who

"Request authority for a stop"

[That's illegal now?]

"Make numerous references to the US Constitution"

[That's illegal now?]

"Attempt to 'police the police'"

[That's illegal now?]

And let's not forget the other potential "domestic terrorists" being sought. We really need to watch out for these people:

"Lone Individuals"

[Do you meet that description?]

"Rebels"

[Know any gun rights activist who doesn't have at least a touch of rebel pumping through the old bloodstream?]

Be sure and notice the following two things on the flyer, as well:

1) There is NOT ONE MENTION of "Islamic Fundamentalists" anywhere.

2) Defenders of the US Constitution and the common law from which it grew are being classified on the same level as the bottom-feeding Skinheads, Nazis and the KKK.


READ THE FLYER FOR YOURSELF

"Public Servants" Going After "Constitutional Terrorists"?

by Angel Shamaya

November 14, 2001

KeepAndBearArms.com -- The Phoenix Federal Bureau of Investigation created a flyer some time back during Clinton's Presidency, asking the recipients to help them fight domestic terrorism. I received one of these flyers this past weekend at the Arizona "Freedom in the 21st Century" gathering. The Maricopa County Sheriff's Office (Greater Phoenix, Arizona) and the Maricopa County Attorney were placed on the flyer, as well -- before they saw the actual wording of the flyer -- in an effort by the FBI to "work jointly with local law enforcement."

Called the Joint Terrorism Task Force, the program was created, presumably, to help preserve the American way of life. This flyer was created -- by the feds -- to disseminate information about who the bad guys might be. However, its wording made it look like a disinformation campaign to paint at least a few groups of Real Americans as domestic terrorists. Among other things, the FBI was asking people:

"If you encounter any of the following, Call the Joint Terrorism Task Force":

"defenders of the US Constitution against federal government and the UN"

[That describes many civil liberties groups and most gun rights and American Sovereignty groups in existence -- and, by extension, their members.]

"Groups of individuals engaging in para-military training"

[Such as, perhaps, shooting your semi-automatic "assault weapon" with some friends out in the desert?"]

Also being sought are "Common Law Movement Proponents" who

"Request authority for a stop"

[That's illegal now?]

"Make numerous references to the US Constitution"

[That's illegal now?]

"Attempt to 'police the police'"

[That's illegal now?]

And let's not forget the other potential "domestic terrorists" being sought. We really need to watch out for these people:

"Lone Individuals"

[Do you meet that description?]

"Rebels"

[Know any gun rights activist who doesn't have at least a touch of rebel pumping through the old bloodstream?]

Be sure and notice the following two things on the flyer, as well:

1) There is NOT ONE MENTION of "Islamic Fundamentalists" anywhere.

2) Defenders of the US Constitution and the common law from which it grew are being classified on the same level as the bottom-feeding Skinheads, Nazis and the KKK.


READ THE FLYER FOR YOURSELF

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&
articleid=2126


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Virginia Training Manual Lists Property Rights Activists As Terrorists
Says video cameras, binoculars, sketch pads are terrorist tools

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | March 28 2006

A Virginia training manual used to help state employees recognize terrorists lists anti-government and property rights activists as terrorists and includes binoculars, video cameras, pads and notebooks in a compendium of terrorist tools.

The manual, discovered by the Virginia News Source, is keen to emphasize that terrorists are not only Middle Eastern in scope and the main focus is afforded to domestic terrorism.

Included with Hamas, Al-Qaeda and Islamic Jihad, the following groups are identified as terrorist organizations.

In any anti-government and militia movements
Are property-rights activists
Are in any racist, separatist and hate groups
Are an environmental and animal rights activist
Are a religious extremist
Are in a street gang


More on that here

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/280306trainingmanual.htm


In Alex Jones' 2001 documentary 9/11: The Road To Tyranny, FEMA officials give a seminar in which they identify George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers as terrorists.

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FBI Keeps Watch on Activists
Antiwar, other groups are monitored to curb violence, not because of ideology, agency says.

Nicholas Riccardi / LA Times | March 28 2006

DENVER - The FBI, while waging a highly publicized war against terrorism, has spent resources gathering information on antiwar and environmental protesters and on activists who feed vegetarian meals to the homeless, the agency's internal memos show.

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/280306_b_FBI.htm

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 34yrs • M •
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it seems u made an honest attempt at uncovering the truth leftwood
now i want ur honest solution to the problem u have presented what is ur plan to change this. i would tell u mine but since this is coming from a government computer it would be called treason. i cant even get a single email out without it being monitored for keywords
whether they be curse words or important names

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 42yrs • M
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Interesting. That's unfortunate, for I would like to hear yours, and any, solutions.

Any solution to a problem such as this, in its size and intricacies, there have to be steps taken, depending on personal resources and connections especially, of which I have next to none.

And seeing as how I am not Superman and able to do what needs to be done alone, I must take the most logical of first steps.

One you have pointed out.

quote:
it seems u made an honest attempt at uncovering the truth



The next is what I do here and among appropriate social encounters, and that is to share such information, educate others, get them to stop believing every thing that is fed and think critically. A very important factor in this is providing evidence or resources to obtain evidence.

Keeping in mind that any "evidence" is generally just as unprovable from my possistion as any official story. But when I can deliver conflicting officially sourced material, people can at least see that someone is lying. Then find out who stands to gain, add in some history research and people can start to see things for themselves.

Solution? Honestly? I don't have one more than what is basically stated above. Once the majority is educated rather than brainwashed, and they realize there are actual crimes and treason being commited by members of our government, rather than just incompetence or low level corruption, people as a whole will unite and act.

V for Vendetta, minus the explosions, is the basic answer, the people must learn the truth and then act together. Little else stands a chance.

The biggest problem with all of this is that this government isn't so stupid as to not be prepared for the people to act.

They know its our sworn duty as citizens to correct corruption and even overthrow a criminal government.

And this is exactly why they have implemented such laws as the Patriot Act
quote:
S
[u] . Laws with perfectly normal and mundane expectations mixed with others that simply subvert the constitution and bill of rights.

And since this is a global problem as well, and since it would appear a goal is the extermination of 80 to 90% of the population through any number of means, with the followup of the enslavement of the rest of the non "elite", if people don't wake up and act soon, it may not matter, if its not already too late.


i would tell u mine but since this is coming from a government computer it would be called treason.
[quote]

Speak in code, or be honest and technically legal by stating that any actions would be in the case of a justifiable, by law, act. Such as the above mentioned constitutional decree of our duties as citizens.

Though that seems to be at the top of the watch list as well so...

Its not treason to defend yourself or take down a criminal government or to say you would, so I say fuck 'em.

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 42yrs • M
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Despite a troubled history, police across the nation are keeping tabs on ordinary Americans

Michael Kinsley / Baltimore Sun | May 7 2006

quote:
U.S. News has identified nearly a dozen cases in which city and county police, in the name of homeland security, have surveilled or harassed animal-rights and antiwar protesters, union activists, and even library patrons surfing the Web. Unlike with Washington's warrantless domestic surveillance program, little attention has been focused on the role of state and local authorities in the war on terrorism.


http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/070506tabs.htm


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 42yrs • M
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Veteran Assaulted and Banned By VFW Post For Questioning Official 9/11 Story

Kevin Smith & Aaron Dykes/ JonesReport.com | May 11 2006

An American Patriot who served in combat was allegedly assaulted April 1, 2006 at VFW Post 445 for voicing comments.

Richard Schramm has been arrested and charged for assaulting Retired Photographer's Mate 2nd Class Mark Duryee in Charleston, South Carolina. Duryee indicated that he required medical attention for his injuries.

Subsequently, Duryee has had his canteen privileges suspended and may be permanently barred from the locale for his role in the incident on April 1, 2006. This is ironic, since Duryee was allegedly assaulted by Schramm, who was then the post's Commander and is now its Quartermaster.

The very person who was charged for assaulting Mr. Duryee had him barred from the VFW post by calling together the house committee who suspended his privileges. Duryee has a right to frequent the VFW as a dues-paying veteran.



These circumstances are very dangerous for free speech. It is of the utmost importance that Mark Duryee has his access to VFW Post 445 reinstated. Otherwise, it is precedent that a citizen of the United States can be first assaulted for voicing his views and then punished for creating an 'incident,' in this case, caused only by Duryee's quiet free speech with a friend. This is outrageous discrimination.



Mr. Duryee contacted Jones Report and told us that he was discussing problems with the official 9/11 story and mentioned such films on the topic as 'Martial Law 9-11: The Rise of the Police State' and 'Loose Change.' Schramm and others at the VFW's canteen overheard him and told him to, "shut up or get out." When Duryee refused, Schramm allegedly attacked him from behind, then knocked Duryee to the floor where he was reportedly kicked and stomped.

Richard Schramm could not be reached for comment Tuesday or Wednesday. An attempt was also made to contact the arresting officer, who could not be reached for comment either.

The phone number for VFW Post 445 is (843) 795-9419. The Charleston County Courts website lists Mr. Shramm's recent arrests, which include, since 2000, not only the charge of Assault & Battery from this incident, but also charges of D.U.I., Reckless Driving and Gambling/Unlawful Games.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/110506Veteran.htm

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 42yrs • M
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NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls

Leslie Cauley, USA TODAY | May 11 2006

The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the arrangement told USA TODAY.

The NSA program reaches into homes and businesses across the nation by amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans - most of whom aren't suspected of any crime. This program does not involve the NSA listening to or recording conversations. But the spy agency is using the data to analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect terrorist activity, sources said in separate interviews.

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS: The NSA record collection program

"It's the largest database ever assembled in the world," said one person, who, like the others who agreed to talk about the NSA's activities, declined to be identified by name or affiliation. The agency's goal is "to create a database of every call ever made" within the nation's borders, this person added.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/110506_b_database.htm

Security issue kills domestic spying inquiry

AP | May 11 2006

WASHINGTON The government has abruptly ended an inquiry into the warrantless eavesdropping program.

The Justice Department says the National Security Agency has refused to grant its lawyers the necessary security clearance to probe the matter.

The Justice Department announced its decision in a fax to New York Congressman Maurice Hinchey, whose office shared the statement with The Associated Press.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/110506_b_spying.htm

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