Do you know what Islam means?

"Because I don't adhere to my belief with absolute certainty. Which is what I have been saying since the beginning. Look if you can't understand that that isn't contradictory, well tough, I find very satisfactory. There's no point repeating each."

All that matters is that if your belief is true you have just proven that it is false. Thus there is no point in you adhering to it period. To continue to do so is logically absurd.

I never said all absolute statements such as "all Xs are Ys" are false.

I said we can never believe in any statement absolutely.

Its completely different, hence none-contradictory. If you can't see that, well tough balls.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

"we can never believe in any statement absolutely."

Including the above statement? OMG...You just dont get it...lol

If the above statement is true then it disproves its own claim thus we can believe in some statements absolutely.

YOU just don't get it. I didn't say "all absolute statements are false" That's a contradictory statement because it is in itself an absolute statement (it says "all"

Whereas saying "I am 90% (or whatever percentage) sure that you shouldn't believe in anything absolutely" is IN NOW WAY contradictory. It IS contradictory if you believe in it for absolutely certain, but I have never said I was certain, only YOU have been trying to shove that in my mouth for last 10 posts.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

Ahh but you did, you wrote: "we can never believe in any statement absolutely." Instead of CAN NEVER you should have said should rarely.

But anyways, I agree with you - I dont know what % we can ever believe - 90% is probably a good number.

What the bloody fuck is going on in here?

Islam: If shit happens, it is the will of Allah.
Protestanism: Let shit happen to someone else.
Catholicism: If shit happens, you deserve it.

And for all the Zen masters out there:
What IS the sound of shit happening?

"Milk, almonds and pistachios."

"Ahh but you did, you wrote: "we can never believe in any statement absolutely." Instead of CAN NEVER you should have said should rarely."
I said we should always believe it. I stand by that. I stand by it 90% (90% certainty, not 90% of the time)

Is someone high?

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

Or has our argument just become that childish.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

It really isn't childish at all - in fact it is very serious - the way we communicate is important - and I think it is interesting. You have made a statement - I take your statement at face value and show that it disproves its own claims - you say that I should only take your statement at having about 90% value and allow for 10% uncertainty. This is impossible for me to comprehend. When I reply you find my answer impossible to comprehend, apparently.

What this reveals is that we both have a distinctly different view of logic and the role it can play and should play. I think you are probably in that crowd that believes a quanta can exist before it exists. I am in the crowd that says that can never happen because it violates a law of logic and thus what the scientists think they are observing they are not really observing and in time will see that I am right.

OK lets try to break down my reasoning, this what I think you are understanding:
- I say: All absolute statements are false.
- An absolute statement is one in which one says "all Xs are Y"
- Therefore the first statement claims itself to be false

Here's what I am trying to say:
- I say: No statement (requiring thought) is absolutely certain.
-> IF the above statement is absolutely certain then it claims itself to be false and is contradictory
-> IF the above satement is only partially certain, then it is a self-confirming statement or truism, it states only partially certain statements exist (as opposed to partially TRUE) and is in itself are partially certain statent

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

Ok im muslim. We muslims believe in one god(another name for god is Allah). We beileive he sent many prophets in order to help us understand God. We do not believe that Jesus is the son of god, even Jesus himself said "Do not worship me, but worship God". We believe that Mohammed was a prophet sent by God. We believe in peace. Al-Queda is an extremist group like your KKK. No we dont want to blow you up. And no not all muslims look like osama, in fact i look like Ricky Martin, and people mistake me for a Latino guy.

But recently Ive been studying many religions, and I dont believe in any religion anymore. What I do believe is that there is a universal power that binds the universe together. In other words I believe there is a God, and I believe that you must do good things. Theres no reason behind my beliefs to explain them, i just do them. I dont care If u dont believe me, I want to do good things in life, and die peacefully.

"Life is a dream, when you wake up the real journey begins"
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I'm starting to resent technicalities and logistics here.
Whatever happened to spirituality and the abstract depth of adhering to a faith?

Screw Five Pillars and Ten Commandments if they don't personally affect you at heart or become incorporated in your daily routine.

"Milk, almonds and pistachios."

Religion never says that there can't be any spirituality.

"How can we be just in a world without mercy and merciful in a world without justice?"

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What I do believe is that there is a universal power that binds the universe together. In other words I believe there is a God,

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"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

"Even Jesus himself said "Do not worship me, but worship God"

Please post the biblical passage where Jesus said this.

I wouldn't spend much time looking for it though, because Jesus never said this. In fact Jesus received worship and responded that those that recognize that he is Lord and God are blessed.

"What I do believe is that there is a universal power that binds the universe together."

Believe do you in the force you do?