Blessed Are The Peace Makers

What is your alternative to a Bush run system? Will not the loss of Bush as president result in a new president with the same warlike tendencies as the status quo? Unless you find someone such as Jesus or Ghandi to run our nation what do you propose as an alternative?

"Words are but the pathways for thought to travel from mind to mind"

People forget that Reagon won the cold war without a war. It can be done and there are such leaders.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

Yes, there is a possibility for this non-violent end to wars, but do you honestly believe that the American people in this day will ever allow a president to stay in action if he does not take an action of retalliation against those who bring war upon our soil?

"Words are but the pathways for thought to travel from mind to mind"

America is the greatest nation on Earth, we're superior, all the others are crazed infidels who should be annexed by our superior nation. Iraq is not about oil, nor was Afghanistan, we went there to free the Iraqi people. Which is why they voted for secular pro-democracy parties at the parliamentary elections. We didn't go for oil, which is why we're going to send troops into Sudan, the Congo and Moldova. Without a draft, too.

Iraq prior to the invasion was filled with crazed Al Qaeda fanatics. You are a liar. Iraq was full of massively destructive weapon-like training camps for terrorists. In many ways Iraq IS Al Quaeda. In fact, Saddam funded Al Quaeda against the Soviets in Afghanistan. I would like to add, that Saddam wasn't a nationalist socialist as he said. His Ba'ath party had nothing to do with he secular Ba'ath party of Syria. In fact, he hated Arab nationalism, which is why he tried to reunite Iraq with Kuwait. He was in reality Islamic because he wrote "Allah Akbar" on his flag. He was Islamic, that's why he attacked the Islamic theocracy in Iran. In fact, its quite likely that Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden are in a homosexual relationship. Which is why they're Islamic.

Everybody knows this. I don't know why you deny, your an idiot, I'm not talking to you anymore ignorant white trash.

Traitor.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

Dumb Teen - what are you talkiing about? Aren't you French? You take sides with Xris or you pulling my string.

White_Bishop - We went to Afghanistan. As a matter of fact I recall we were working with all countries shaking out terrorist where ever we could find them. Then we decided to go to Iraq that had nothing to do with 9/11. The Administration never out right claimed that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 - they just threw out hints of the possibilities and the Americans ran with it and the media allowed it, never bothering to dispeal this error?

I believe Mr. Bush is still president because he cheated, in Ohio and Florida.

You just keep watching - it is beginning to start unfolding. But the part that is dissapointing is that this happened once before, in my lifetime.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

I do agree with you. I don't think that we had any real reason to go into Iraq. The theories of chemical weapons were based on nothing but the stuborness of the country's ruler, and who cares if they might have agreed with the Taliban that doesn't give us any reason, in my oppinion, to go in and literally conquer them with our democratic ideals.
And I do not like George Bush being our president, I would just like to see somebody competent enough to run a nation step forward as an alternative.

"Words are but the pathways for thought to travel from mind to mind"

Bush has a God-given right to rape other countries. Pagans have no rights. You all spit on the very flag of freedom which allows you to spill out such blasphemous opinions.

By all means they should be converted to Christianity, that's the only way you have democracy. Because pagan democracies never work, which is why Japan and South Korea suck.

Bush is a moderate, everyone knows this, he's a weak leader. He doesn't even want to make Iraq into the 51st state! Why does he give in to atheist swine when he knows full well that pagan Islamic polytheists can't possibly have true democracy. We should send in missionaries to convert the heathens, protestant ones, those who don't convert... Well why do you live in American Iraq if you don't like Christianity???

Love it or leave it!

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

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Bush has a God-given right to rape other countries. Pagans have no rights. You all spit on the very flag of freedom which allows you to spill out such blasphemous opinions.

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Bush is a moderate, everyone knows this,

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Gandhi was a Hindu (he read the Bhagavad Gita every morning), but, you're right, he did have strong feelings about claiming a particular religion. He's famously quoted as saying, "I am a Hindu, but I am also a Muslim, a Christian and a Jew."

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"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

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Okcitykid – I agree that the precepts of Gandhi are admirable. But I found the phrase “…call himself a Christian, but didn’t. This man walked and talked the gospel…” to be insulting to his Hindu faith. What exactly were you insinuating please? If I am mistaken in my assumption that you were promoting the religious exclusion propaganda of the small core of Christian Fundamentalists, then please accept my apology. It would have been more proper to note his Christian-like qualities.

And yes, I realize I am "baiting the bear" so to speak.

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"Life is full of lemons, and the lemonade is sweet."

I have great NEWS...because the walls of empty buildings were destroyed, we have won a war...
Because their lives were spared, we won their hearts.

500,000 or so ppl have converted to Christianity since our troops have been deployed in Iraq.

They got out and voted. They are recovering a nation savagely torn by an oppressive dictator whom killed ...get this....more than Hitler.

TO ignore them...is to hate them.
TO help them pull out of their sufferage is to love them.

The only lives killed were done so by the insurgents...and the true and actual count of civilians dead...is unreported because the insugents have dressed as civilians.

Their own ppl will not keep count, because they are not sure they can in fact call the dead ones civilians.

The countless pictures online came from the Kurdish attacks, and other deaths by Saddam.

The ppl in Iraq bend down to kiss the troops boots, and give gratitude with their whole being.{Heard this 1st hand}

TO say this is NOT what God wanted is to ignore that God works thru men who do good.......for others.
Bush did not throw down an A bomb...nor Nuclear...
HE threw down empty gov buildings.

Caused the leaders to flee in fear, captured the ones he could AND EARNED A GR8 DEAL OF RESPECT AND LOVE FROM THE CIVILIANS..

WHO are NOT in the same mindset as the insurgents who...get this...are Al Queda.


The Insurgents...aka Al Queda behead ppl, ambush, suicide bomb, and kill children...and you THINK GOD WANTS THAT???

"Life is full of lemons, and the lemonade is sweet."

Concepts within the Xian Bible are common to many religions, they simply make sense in a well balanced society, and are older the Christianity by a long shot. And just because someone lives a life style concurent to biblical scriptures, does not make them a Christain.

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500,000 or so ppl have converted to Christianity since our troops have been deployed in Iraq.

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"Oops, it appears I have run over your dogma with my karma."

i would have asked this sooner in the debate but i wasnt following it.

okcitykid, you said that what jesus taught and what the churches teach contradict. what did you mean? what teachings of Christ, besides the obvious war issue are left out? also, different denominations emphasize different things, so to say that the church at large says something, or doesnt say something, is impossible.

"life sucks but its better than the alternative"

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500,000 or so ppl have converted to Christianity since our troops have been deployed in Iraq.

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They got out and voted.

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They are recovering a nation savagely torn by an oppressive dictator whom killed ...get this....more than Hitler.

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TO say this is NOT what God wanted is to ignore that God works thru men who do good.......for others.

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Bush did not throw down an A bomb...nor Nuclear...

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"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

“Iraq is not about oil, nor was Afghanistan, we went there to free the Iraqi people.”

An important question many people seem to forget, did the Iraqi people ASK us to “free” them? What give the right of one country to interfere with another, in such a manner? It was not by the will of the American people that our sons and daughters are dying by the thousands on foreign soil. I don’t remember seeing a national vote, I also don’t remember seeing it first voted on just by Congress. This is an agenda of a small group of men, Christians all, which has caused so much devastation and death. Multiple sources at the top have stated that the Bush administration had planned war on Iraq since 9/11, despite the glaring lack of evidence that Saddam was responsible in any way. There were grumblings of attacking Iraq ever since the WTC garage bombings. Everyone seems to forget these facts in the current fog of war.
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“Bush has a God-given right to rape other countries. Pagans have no rights. You all spit on the very flag of freedom which allows you to spill out such blasphemous opinions.”

The first statement is ludicrous at best, and sounds very much like a Fundie remark to me. As to the second statement, what makes you think that we pagans have no rights? In your opinion, how do we “spit on the very flag of freedom”? And just in case you are laboring under a misconception paganism and Islam are two different religion systems, the terms are not interchangeable by the contemporary definition of pagan.
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“By all means they should be converted to Christianity, that's the only way you have democracy. Because pagan democracies never work, which is why Japan and South Korea suck.”

How does Japan “suck”? Their GNP follows the US as second in the world, and South Korea ranks number 12. Would your rather see a fundamental Christian theocratic dictatorship in the US? We just got rid of a fundamental theocracy, in Afghanistan. And lets not forget it was pagans who first developed Democracy, in ancient Greece.
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It is my opinion, that same aggressive policy of forcible conversation of the world populace by Fundamental Christianity is partially, or perhaps even wholly, responsible for the attacks against the US on our soil and abroad, and the current very negative world opinion of the United States. Anyone with eyes can see that the rest of our worldly neighbors think the US is a threat, a country that has the will and the means to impose it’s religious and political agenda on whomever it damn well pleases. And correct me if I am wrong, but the whole idea of forcing someone to convert to Christianity, or oppressing those who will not follow that faith, goes against the very principles of that otherwise commendable religion.

Blessed indeed are the Peacemakers, and woe unto those war mongers!

"Oops, it appears I have run over your dogma with my karma."

IrishPagan - I was being sarcastic ... Sorry I wasn't clear.

I'll be a bit more arrogant next time I need to impersonate a Christian fundie

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"
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