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This has suddenly evolved into a huge discussion and will probably take weeks probably before anyone come's too anything close to agreeing. I've got little time to answer much now, but I'll comment on the rest tomorrow or on saturday.
''Thanks for the advice. I think that the reason I havn't fallen in love with a man is because I'm sixteen and that would be illegal. Point being, I don't get along with most people my own age because I don't care about what they care about. Once I'm old enough to meet a guy of my own intellectual and maturity level I'll be far more likely to fall in love. I'm not going to adress the whole birth control issue, becasue I admit I don't know''.
It has nothing with age to do, and it isn't ilegal to be in love. You knwo your not comitted to have to marry the first boy that you love, and you certanly don't have to have sex with him nontheless.
When I said ''To say that religion created man is like saying the earth was created before the stars (clamed by the bible) It is both unrealistic'', you asked me why.
Why do you ask why when it's so obvious. They's about to find life on jupiters moon now, 14-15th of january i belive, and I know if they do find life, the pope or whatever will claim it is a ''experiment gone wrong'' by God. There are signs of there being life on mars long ago too. The thing that is needed to create life is not God, only methan gas. It creates an atmosphere and are a must for life. If God is a omnicient fart of methan of if God let go of a big one at earth, christians will maby discuss further. I will not.
''I advise you to read a book called "Evidence that demands a verdict" by Josh McDowell. It's a hard read, really a collection of notes by a man who set out to prove Christianity wrong and in fact found much proof supporting it instead. Part of it is illustrating how the Israelites were extremely different from any other religion. They defy the scientific theory of religious evolution. While the rest of the religions followed a certain pattern, starting with the worship of things, then evolving to the worship of multiple gods, and so on, the Israelites followed a single God throughout their exsistence, and even to today. ''
maby I will read the book. But it will be some time before i do, reading the bible now, and have a lot of other books to catch up on too. People chose different things to worship, so did the isrealites. They are no different, they just had a ''safer'' religion.
''This is a difficult subject. I looked and could'nt find the Bible verse I wanted. It speaks of a Christian slave who runs away from his master and one of the apostles rebukes the Christian master of this slave for enslaving his brother in Christ. A Christian is told to love his neighbor, to act as a servant to all, for this is what Christ did. Slavery was such a long standing tradition of the times that it would have been impossible to banish it, but Christians were expected to obey Jesus, and slavery was a direct contradiction to His teachings. This is why American Christians who kept slaves tried to say that blacks were'nt really human. They were disobeying the Bible and comitting a great sin toward humanity and it still makes my blood boil to think of people doing this in the name of Christ.''
It's a contradiction of what the bible allows allright
About this colord thing, don't you see it as sin to disobey your God? Don't you just wanna ''convert'' them. Well they belive in their God/Gods as full hearedly as you do in your. There is no difference to the reasons why they belive. Christians can say all they want about not fearing death as a reason for religion, but I'd like to see you in my position and watch you handle it without fear. Wy do you think it sais ''belive in me and be forever''. In my opinion,
it's a paradise for the weak.
My acctual point in this is, I know am right, you belive in God. It's a long way between. And I think whatever every christian in the world say or do, we must let go of all religion and make peace with eachother as equal humans, religion equals conflict and war, it allways have. There is no excuse, the belive in God and the thing that follow sure takes away all fear but to to accept all the negative, (war, murder so on)
just to remove your own fear for the unanswered and unknown to feel safe, remove all what comes with being alive; is a selfish egosentric act for those who cannot accept their own natural fear. As we see animals fear death big time, so should we, but some religions even support martyrism and that is so damn sad to think about. Wasted time, wasted life.
I watched this debate program on tv, there was a priest or something answering questions given by the people. One asked: ''what if you realise as you die that there is no God and no heaven or hell, why throw away your life on this?''
He answerd somthing like this: ''Well then it's to late. But why take the chanse on there not being a God? What if there is a God? And I will come to heaven, but you will never? I wouldn't even dare to take bets on that!''
Isn't his fear obvious? Though it made me think a litte when he said, what if there is a God? But ofcorse there is nothing of a sort when almost everything is logical and so obvoisly realistic. The univers can be exsplained through something called fractals. It's the facts about etirnety and all that is forever on-going. Like space. Atleast to what we know, for all I know whe could be part of an atom, i a material. The galaxcies work this way, and resembles musch in the way it works and looks. But that is just a theorie, but I have no problem with accepting what does not affect me personaly.
''Let me speak here from personal experience. I don't obey the Bible because I'm afraid if I don't I'll go to hell. It annoys me when pastors put such influence on the whole eternal torture thing, because they leave out the true wonder of Christ. I obey the Bible, to the best of my ability, because it brings me great joy to do so. I don't barely survive while smashing down my instincts. I thrive while controlling myself. ''
It's the only reason people stay christian, if there was no threats there would be no need for it.
You only feel joy becuse being human is something that the bible has poisoned. It is wrong to be human. When your goals are to withstand natural urges, this will give you satisfaction when you do, ofcourse. But this is only a delusion, made to prevent you from living, but rather make you a cyborg; harshly speaking.
I controle my uges too but I don't deny them. If I get ''excited'' I damn well know it, and I don't try to tare it off and let it ruin my day when I have no girl that want's me right there and then. I don't let the fear of ''sinning'' get in my way of masturbating to go on and ruin my day. When I get it, or want it I do it. It doesn't hurt anybody at all, though someone mean I ''hurt myself'' by doing so.
I belive there is something holding us back from realising how the truth really is, In a christian newpaper I read at school scientist claimed that why people ''must'' have religions has something to do with their DNA, a so called ''weakness'' in our minds.
''Ok, let's see how I can phrase this so as to not seem to offend you. No one can study the Bible until we make perfect sense of it. It's not possible. What did you think was out of line? Sometimes people can't accept what they read because there are preconcieved ideas about subjects or they arn't willing to give things up. It's a matter of what you are willing to sacrifice of yourself, for God. If you say it doesn't make perfect sense, I put it to you, does atheism make perfect sense? Arn't there things an atheist can't explain?''
Nobody will make perfect sense of the bible as those who claim to do so have probably used a lot of ink to cover up the things that not make really sense at all. And if it does they have in some way twisted the words all around. Like Patrish have done about slavery. It's not like that at all, and I'd like to
hear that from the all christians in the world, cus' there are few who agree. Atleast catholics. They are all brainwashed homophobic hate machines controled by a book that ''fell from the sky''.
I'm a atheust, and everything I belive makes perfect scense, if I don't know the answers to what is the universe is or what death is, I don't bring my own ego to control me and through religion judge other ppl through what the bible sais.
When patrish have come up with many of these explinations she has read the bible with critic. And that is good, I did that once before, and that's how I realised that I'm more humane than this.
''Wow. I don't think I'm irrational. In fact, I think you're irrational. You see the point? You are assuming, in such a statement, that you know everything. I'm not attacking you, though after being called an irrational society ruiner I'm tempted to. Keep an open mind. You, like me, are yet young, and we both have a lot to learn before we make such assured statements.''
I didn't assume, I said I know. I didn't call you a ruiner, then I wouldn't sitting here writing to you without going completly nuts. This is a discussion not a fight. I have spoken about having an open mind, I allways have had an open mind about the bible and christian belifes, I have used alot of years trying to understand why we need it, and as I grew older, I realised it. I've even read of ppl my age listening to Metallica and getting suddenly afraid of death, but then turned into a christian, and become happy. Ofcourse, he's not ''saved'' he's answerd on his fears, and this is something everyone non-christian want's.
''*Sigh*. Thing is, you have a point Animated. I've been tetering on the pro-life, pro-choice thing for a while now. See, I go to a small Christian school, where Bush is a prophet and Kerry is the antiChrist, and abortion is the tool of the devil. I disagree with all the above views, and find them close-minded at the least, and fanatical at the worst. I don't think Christian views should be forced on anyone, but the question comes with the baby. Should'nt it be allowed to make it's own choice? You can say that it isn't alive, that it does'nt think. This seems to be the popular view. But I just don't know how you can say that without any doubt. How do you know, really, how do you know? ''
It's good your not a sheep for the wrong things. I am pro choise becuse I belive life has no value, it cannot be mesured in value, it is only what we our self belive it is, and everyperson do live, and we must therefore respekt life. But when life has not yet reached what it can be called actual ''life'' I belive seamon can be wasted as much as we'd like. It's about ego yes, but as a living human, I am my own leader and redemeer, and need's no rules as I make my own and know they work in all ways of life. I don't kill insects by sure, I kill seamon, like priests don't go off in their sleep like everybody who doesn't masturbate. A friend of mine who was christian until a year ago, had great infections on his groin, and his doctor - who is adept in their work much more that the bible could ever be - said it was becuse he never masturbated. It physicly hurt him. Now that is a typical form of denial of sexuality.
Seamon has no soul, do you remember your ''jurney''? No? That's because you whern't alive, and you hadn't any intelect like any of us, this comes with brain cappasity as we gain conciounsness as children. We may have ''souls'' (ability to live and control consiounsnessly) before we are born, like dogs have grown, but becuse we have no developt brain (intelect) we cannot remember things in long terms AT ALL.
But abortion is just up to 8-12 weeks maximum and by then life has not yet occourd. A baby might live in that stadium but it's not ''alive''.
''This at least I have some answer to. It does'nt really matter. A holiay is a holiday, who cares when it is? The purpose of Christmas, to a Christian, is to be reminded of their savior's birth. It doesn't matter when this occurs. Maybe you're right, I don't know about the purpose behind the date, but I again put the question to you, what does it matter?
The proof of Jesus's life and death is there. Science does not deny that he exsisted. Many trusted documents aside from the Bible speak of him.''
It does matter, the day was specially planned for this day, as I said before, and the reasons don't change.
Science have never had proof of jesus's excistance, you can't find proof of one mans life, and atleast not a man like jesus. He only has the bible.
What ''many trusted documents aside from the Bible'' speak of
is Messiah, not jesus. Mohammed was a messiah, and almost all religions have their messiah. That some claim it's all from the same tree is false on the messiah, jew's didn't get jesus before year 2000. And still there are jews. There have been many messiah's tin different religions, at different places in the world, and different times.
I accept all people that doesn't hurt to do bad things to others.
About the gay issue I say: ''What nature makes - nature is''
About the bible issue I say: ''The bible is a threat to life itself''
Thank you for reading. =)
"Albert Fish: "What I did must have been right or an angel would have stopped me, just as an angel stopped Abraham in the Bible [from sacrificing his son].""
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...which I will now explain why it is 'more than just christian'. 
