UN Bombing in Baghdad

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It seems that not even the "benevolent" creators of this site can find a "free speech" way to protect themselves from differing views and criticism!!!!

"Wars are not won by dying for your country, they a"
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Tanker and Decius, I couldn't be any more eloquent. Kick their evil asses!
Eldred

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Terrorists are insane, yes. And we should do whatever it is to stop terrorism. That means stopping their recruitment programs and not givings strongly religious muslims a reason to hate us.

"AIDS is God's way of sending Catholics to heaven."

We ( the West: US, Britain, Australia, Spain, and many more crazy countries) have committed ourselves in the Middle East. It's the West against the East. If we have to kill every human being who supports the "popular position" of the East so be it! Hey Tankard, what do you think?
Eldred

"We ( the West: US, Britain, Australia, Spain, and many more crazy countries) have committed ourselves in the Middle East. It's the West against the East. If we have to kill every human being who supports the "popular position" of the East so be it! Hey Tankard, what do you think?"
Why do you defend your position with the same rhetoric as militant muslims?
Replace middle east with NY and East with West and you have the perfect extremist islamic speech.

"AIDS is God's way of sending Catholics to heaven."

"What do you believe in? Anything? Or are you merely a nay sayer that has nothing better to do then champion unjust causes and the "inalienable" right to do whatever pleases you with no consequences? If you personally were attacked by militant anything would you cowar in the corner like an abused dog? or would you decide to stand up for yourself and your fellow citizens and innocents?"
I would do what is nescessary to proetect those fellow citizens. And that does not include giving terrorists are reason to hate us. Invading their countries and bombing their people only allows extremist muslim leaders to more easily create more hate propaganda and boost their recruitment operations.

"AIDS is God's way of sending Catholics to heaven."

There are many different terrorist organizations with a plethora of different goals. The UN bombing may have very little to do with invading Iraq or Afghanistan.

Regardless, I agree with Crimson. The reason the US has been targeted over and over has been its financial and military support of Israel, a country known to be insanely cruel towards Muslims at large. Perhaps the UN in some respects is regarded as a part of the US by some organizations.

I don't think a terrorist would bomb the UN if they were simply peacekeeping.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

That was probably the most intelligent post I've seen you make!

That is EXACTLY what the US should do.

Why not?

No one claims the US is a good country, everyone is critcising it, so why help anyone? It's blatently obvious no one wants them to help. Word opinion as well as UN opinion dictates that the US should do exactly what you just suggested.

There is no "damned if you don't". They are only "damned if you do". Do you think terrorists attack the US because they envy the money or the decadence? Or their uninvolvement? Theere are hundreds of countries that are uninvolved, who don't give two shits about terrorists. Their citizens aren't terrified of flying.

You say you are patriotic.... that means you LOVE Americans. That means you want to PROTECT Americans. What's the best way to protect them than to sit at home, spend all the money at home, and not send soldiers to die accross the globe.

And let me guarrantee you firstly and foremostly that the world will not crumble if the US were to do this. No one needs the US. This is something you need to acknowledge.

You need the UN, a coalition of the world powers to govern certain aspects of the world, but no one country should dictate their own decisions on any other country.

The US should sit back and really, really focus on domestic matters, alternate fuel sources, protection of their citizens, schooling, medical care, employment, technological advances, and a whole lot more. Things that improve humanity as a whole.

Does anyone dislike a country that makes its citizens happy? Nope. People envy and respect those countries and especially the leaders.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

The UN is better because it is a league of nations, hence world benefits rather than national benefits are what matters. That's pretty obvious.

It is not the US's job to govern the rest of the world because the US has not made it clear they can govern themselves. People are unhappy, crime is high, debt is high, consumption is ridiculous, and there is no social awareness. Again I say that domestic affairs must be tended to prior to international ones.

And who cares if people are yelling for help. Firstly, no one would condemn the US for uninvolvement, and secondly, it's not like the US cares! A majority of the world condemned them in this war and they still went ahead!

And the whole alternate fuel thing causing Iraq to go out of business is total horse shit, and a very very lame and weak argument. No one cares if older technologies go out of business, that's the nature of progress.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

"The unfortunate part of being a soldier isthat your job includes death...its not a perk...its not a benefit..but it happens..so get over the fact that people die...we can't stop it...even if there are no more wars...people will still die! Death is not the worst thing imaginable to me...because we all die some day...we just don't know when or why!"
Then why do WMDs and international terrorism such important issues to you?

"AIDS is God's way of sending Catholics to heaven."

You contradicted yourself (I counted) 4 times in that paragraph.

You're ignored!

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

"Firstly you don't care if old fuel sources go out of business, because you don't own the companies that run off of that revenue, nor do you work in a factory or refinery that depends on oil so your family can eat and be clothed, or a factory that makes cars that run on the fuel that other poor shmuck makes, so you have a reason to make cars to feed your family..."
New industries can create new jobs. This sounds a lot like the pro-farmer-subsidies we have in France. In effect, your paying people to use be inefficient or use inefficient technology. And besides, oil is not renewable those jobs are going to disappear someday so we might as well encourage new technology now and stop pumping poisonous gazes into the atmosphere.

" We buy the most and use the most... I don't see it as illogical....."
The US pumps the most out of the ground but that still isn't enough to for the US consumers. That's what's surprising!

I can't see more then 1 contradiction though. At least in this post.

"AIDS is God's way of sending Catholics to heaven."

"I agree that new inducstry can create new jobs, but that new industry is not going to happen upon this earth over night...and we are not anywhere near out of oil...there are oil shafts/wells in the middle east that have not been found to have a bottom...yet!Also the ocean naturally leaks oil through the floor...we just can't seem to get to it because of the depth of the water where these oil slicks occur. If you can't find the bottom of a well and you have oil seeping throught the ocean floor, then I don't see a shortage in oil...just a shortage in ideas as how to get the oil from these places without hurting thhe environment...maybe thats an industry with job potential...huh?"

The oil has a negative effect on the environment, I see no reason to continue exploiting oil and potentially do permanent damage. Using oil in cars damages the environment, there is no way around it oil is noxious and poisonous.
Now, I don't think anyone really know if any permanent damage can be done, but the question should not be "how do we find a way to continue using this dangerous substance" but rather "how do we find a way to not HAVE to use this substance".
Besides, the US and the EU are dependant on foreign oil. It makes us weak politicaly and makes other nations prone to exploiting that weakness.

" Qua...as the French would say? "
Quoi, yeah, quoi

"No one has addressed the fact that the US and GB found the oil in which the whole world partakes...anyone want to comment on the relevancy of that? We ddo use the most and maybe that should change so we don't get screwed the next time our outdated power grid dies because democrats don't like progress in their bacck yards...(the wind mill farms debate of recent)!"
I don't understand that, conservatives tend to be the ones who want high oil consumption. One needs a big high consumption car (help the economy!), one's economy is more important then one's environment (Kyoto) and a large number of conservatives are oil tycoons themselves.

"AIDS is God's way of sending Catholics to heaven."

*sigh*

I agree with Decius that a policy of uninvolvment would help the United States out a lot. Other countries would probably sell us oil willingly if we didn't come in and screw up their nation every ten years. Maybe if we did what the UN SUGGESTED instead of begged us not to do, that would help as well. Bush's "you're either with us or against us" policy basically pits the US, Great Britain, Poland, and Spain against the rest of the world.

BUT some people do cry out for help to America. Unfortunately, those are the ones we don't help, or hesitate to help. Right now Liberians are getting pissed off because we AREN'T moving in. Of course all these words probably make me a "stupid lib" in Tanker's opinion, so maybe I should stop wasting my breath.

"the question should not be "how do we find a way to continue using this dangerous substance" but rather "how do we find a way to not HAVE to use this substance".
Besides, the US and the EU are dependant on foreign oil. It makes us weak politicaly and makes other nations prone to exploiting that weakness."

I completely agree with that, Crimson.

Let me also say the beginning of this thread was filled with unbelievable amounts of racism. It seems you are the type who terrorize Arab Americans. I'm glad Decius and Crimson came in and cleaned this thread up a bit.

"Democracy consists of choosing your dictators, after they've told you what you think it is you want to hear."