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Idea of the "perfect" government?

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 29yrs • F •
A CTL of 1 means that JetPlane is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
Idea of the "perfect" government?
Me? Socialism. I've been a socialist since reading Utopia by Thomas More in the 5th grade.
I don't base my ideal on the book, but it opened my eyes to socialism and I've been a large fan since. More's ideal is far from perfect, but I think it is a good blueprint.

Your ideals?

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"\"Like maple syrup, Canada\' evil oozes.\"-<i>Canadian Bacon</i>"
 62yrs • M •
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to me the perfect government would be one that in TRUTH served the needs and promoted the general welfare of all.
our misfortune that even if a perfect government existed, the imperfection of the people it sought to serve would render it ineffective.

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"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."
 26yrs • M •
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My idea of the perfect government would be a real democratic system where people got to vote on mostly everything instead of it being a republic. One where we all got a say in it unless it was really dire or it was really simple.

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"If the opposite of Pro is Con, then is the opposite of Progress, Congress?"
 65yrs • M •
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Reality JetPlane! Reality & Knowledge!
[www.reaney.us]

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 29yrs • F •
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How am I not knowledgeable if I choose a model that places everyone on the same level, everyone working for everyone else, with everyone else, having no private property, having clusters of community leaders instead of one giant president or king?

And how ridiculous for someone to come in here and make a statement without labeling themselves as well.

If anything, I'd bet you're a capitalist.

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"\"Like maple syrup, Canada\' evil oozes.\"-<i>Canadian Bacon</i>"
 33yrs • M •
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Socialism? Ugh.. No, I live in france and I can say that worker's rights really are a pain in the ass. People are practically immune to being fired, can go on strike for weeks and companies have no flexibility whatsoever.

I think the perfect system would be mainly capitalist with a few commie/socialist elements. It would be pure free market capitalism, 100% inheritance tax, everyone has the right to food/lodging and basic education, higher education would be based on the skill of the students and not money, if your unemployed and looking for work you must also spend some time working for the government on whatever manual work they can give you (think ecological, street cleaning etc...)
With that economic system no one dies, you still have an incentive to work, everyone is productive and you have equality

I'm none too sure about the actual political system... Direct democracy seems best if your into equality, but you have to remember most people are too incompetent/unimformed to make decisions. But then the problem is WHO gets to decide who is competent heh.

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"AIDS is God's way of sending Catholics to heaven."
 29yrs • F •
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I don't mean to sound ignorant since I can't say I've ever seen the French government in order, but every reference I've read about your government make it sound more like a wannabe democracy with very prominent strains of Stalin's communism.

And why 100% inheritance tax? Do you want all of the money you may inherit from your family taken away from you? I agree with your idea for education.

Another problem, would be work incentive. If someone is out of work, they may simply stop caring and see street-cleaning or cleaning up little on the sides of highways as being the last act of desparation. There would have to be something else pushing them to work.

I think it might work on a small scale. Iceland functions on a similar /idea/ and their unemployment rate is .01% out of their 350,000 inhabitants. They also have a socialized medical system, as well as college system. Anyone in college can go to college for free.

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"\"Like maple syrup, Canada\' evil oozes.\"-<i>Canadian Bacon</i>"
 33yrs • M •
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"I don't mean to sound ignorant since I can't say I've ever seen the French government in order, but every reference I've read about your government make it sound more like a wannabe democracy with very prominent strains of Stalin's communism."
WTF?
Hum, the biggest wanna-be democracies are USA and UK in the develloped world. One is a Republic (not a democracy) you don't win by popular vote. Britain is pretty democratic, but they have a monarchy so technically they're not true democracy so

Not sure about strains of Stalin's communism... France has quite a few communist parties (and many uneducated youngsters are communist) but they never hold Stalin as the ideal.

"And why 100% inheritance tax? Do you want all of the money you may inherit from your family taken away from you?"
Yes (and I'm not in a poor family) because everyone else would do the same. It would mean lower taxes and a much better equality at birth (I believe NOTHING should be gained by birthright

"Another problem, would be work incentive. If someone is out of work, they may simply stop caring and see street-cleaning or cleaning up little on the sides of highways as being the last act of desparation. There would have to be something else pushing them to work."
The person is going to be paid barely enough to survive. If they want a nice home, good food, a car etc.. They'll have to get a real job. The idea is that no one is unproductive with government.

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"AIDS is God's way of sending Catholics to heaven."
 33yrs • M •
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Oh yeah, and France has a two round election. Which means you can actually vote for the party you want (as opposed to one of the 2 big parties) in the first round and then vote for you favorite of the two 1st round winners in the 2nd.

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"AIDS is God's way of sending Catholics to heaven."
 1948yrs • M •
Nothing Real is new to Captain Cynic and has less than 15 posts. New members have certain restrictions and must fill in CAPTCHAs to use various parts of the site.
' many uneducated young people are communist' is an 'uneducated' statment, for to truely know a political view point you need to have a FULL understaning of it. many if not most, people don't really know the FULL views of the political ideology they claim to support, if they did they did they may find that they would not support it, so these people can not really be communist. To understand enough about the many different (poss infinte) ideologies would take a very long time, but until this is done how can we make a choice? As you seem to have.

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 28yrs • M •
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I want to try and create a honor - based government

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"No matter how fast light thinks it is, it will always find that Drakness has beaten it and is already waiting..."
 27yrs • M •
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And we'd all have neat knightly titles? That'd be pretty cool

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"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"
 28yrs • M •
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lol
Only if you help people and earn their respect, then people will call you Lord Dumbteen
or if your really helpful, Count Dumbteen
and if your hardcore famous, Prince Dumbteen =D

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"No matter how fast light thinks it is, it will always find that Drakness has beaten it and is already waiting..."
 33yrs • M •
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I have gone over many different types of government and social structures and have come to the conclusion that there currently is no perfect government system, yet. If it did exist then we would be living in it. I think the perfect government is not any one government, by researching the thoughts and ideas of the framers of the US constitution in their direct observation of ancient forms of government in europe and else where in the world, from the founders of communism and their belief that the people as a whole society should work together for the common good. weather you look at the constitutional monarch, socialsim commune, capitalist republic, and even the imperial tyrants of rome, all these governments have their good qualities and their bad. I like to think of governments as people, with their own ideas and ideologies. A true perfect governemt will not follow any one type or system but will allow the people, rich, poor, black, white, male, female, young and old to live as they chose to live, while maintaining the peace and happyness of all, this government is a reflection of the people and all who chose to live in it.

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 26yrs • M •
SarkazticSpaz is new to Captain Cynic and has less than 15 posts. New members have certain restrictions and must fill in CAPTCHAs to use various parts of the site.
i will have to agree with blacklocust, but what you should do is step back take out a peice of paper and write down everything that you want to see in a government, then take that paper and create a mechinism to acoplish what you want. it might not be easy but it will bring some good insite.

oh and about stalin that wasn't communism (technicly its Soviet Communism) but it was more of a dictatorship,
thats my 2 cents but im not done yet just interested in you comments

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