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Fool of Spades

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I don't quiet understand opinions.....and how people's mind work....there are so many different ways to think and different understandings.....why do we bother?
It all seems so pointless to fight over such petty things....
Hmn....
How do you think?
What's your opinion? Over all? On this?
I don't quiet have one....and I don't consider that stated above one.... =/ would that be an opinion?

Fool


"Now I sit in my corner and patiently wait, with eyes as dull as mud, a hunger that none can heal, and I chew my lips for the blood."

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     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

Hi Fool...

The answer is on the tip of your tongue...

You're not asking because of so many opinions, you're asking because people have so many opposing opinions.

How can so many people be so sure of so many things yet oppose so many other people that believe so many other things?

The answer is that their opinions are not their own... their opinions permit them to be part of a certain group, and in order to maintain their membership they must defend these opinions.

So ask yourself when someone has an opinion... what part of a group do they see themselves as? Are they part of a basketball team? Then they will support sports right?

Then you have people who have opinions that are based on deduction... they think things out. So a basketball player will not think that basketball players should be paid more than teachers. This would oppose his membership as a pro-basketball player, right?

Because people fear to be alone, they want to be part of a group. Because they want to stay in the group, they adopt opinions.

You can try to figure out whether someone is saying what they are saying because of deduction or fear by first figuring out what groups they belong to that they fear being kicked out of, or alienated from.

If you meet a person who fits into no group, yet is confident, you will meet a person that probably says things that are highly accurate.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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Attolia

Is there such a person? You belong somewhere even if you choose not to accept that position. Don't people want to belong?


"How can we be just in a world without mercy and merciful in a world without justice?"

13 Posts / 27M
     :   17yrs   :  
Fool of Spades

I had something writen out but I got logged off.....
And I simply don't remember what exactly I wanted to say....But I remember some questions.
Are groups the only things that affect/determine opinions?
Isn't the fear of alienation instinctive?
How can someone be highly accurate if our world is based on our own ideas that are based off of biased group opinions?
...um that's all I remember....sadly.

Fool


"Now I sit in my corner and patiently wait, with eyes as dull as mud, a hunger that none can heal, and I chew my lips for the blood."

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Decius

Groups are not the only things... as I said, analysis of the science (observations of our natural environment) provide a basis for accurate opinions.

The fear of alienation is instinctive, but so are wisdom teeth and the want to beat up your wife and kill your neighbour. Most of our old instincts are very bad for us and actually contribute highly to the current degredation of society. This is a very confusing time because we are at the cusp of developing new instincts that oppose our old instincts.

For example, our instincts as men are to piss on as much territory as possible and kill other territorials... yet we also now garner a natural want for peace and love and brotherhood. These opposing feelings actually cause problems because we are usually prompted to be destructive, then feel guilty for being destructive, then become more destructive because of the guilt.

Analysing the world is biased by the observer... so the only way to be as accurate as possible is to take into account a statistical group of unbiased observers. So, for example, if you think the sky is red and you have no group mentality that is forcing you to think that, you cannot claim it to be fact.

But if you encounter a thousand other people who are not members of any group that relate to the color of the sky, and they don't want to be a part of YOUR group, and they all think the sky is also red, then it is a lot more plausible that the sky is in fact, red.

The problem with groupism is it alienates those that do not exist within the group. This is conquered in one of two ways. The unrealistic and agnostic way is to perceive that we are not members of any group... but this is not really a solution because we then create a group unto ourselves with one member. We then perceive everyone else as an alien to that group.

The only real solution is the Buddhist solution: Everyone and everything is a member of the same group that you belong to. With this mentality you are no more biased to agree with one thing over another except through the use of scientific observation. Additionally, the problem of alienation is relieved because everyone is your brother, and you are everyone else's brother (or sister).


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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Fool of Spades

quote:
Groups are not the only things... as I said, analysis of the science (observations of our natural environment) provide a basis for accurate opinions.


Hmn...I'm just wondering but what if our understanding of the world around us is not...for lack of a better word that I can think of, correct?

How are wisdom teeth instinctive?
How can one not be biased?
The want for peace and love and brotherhood is not natural....or else there wouldn't be war, which is 'natural'.
I'm sorry but I can't exactly see it from your point of view....


"Now I sit in my corner and patiently wait, with eyes as dull as mud, a hunger that none can heal, and I chew my lips for the blood."

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