What's Worth Dying For?

My daughters.

A cause whose current and future actions are greater than mine could ever be. The ends must justify the means.

""No words""

So the end of your life is only worth it if your life could never do something greater than what you ended it for?

So you would not die for love then. But the idea of a love greater than anything you could ever experience.

Tell me, do you think there is anything worth dying for? Specifically.

"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

The question of whether love is worth dying for, is not unconditional. For some, the issue is a conflict between self value VS value of your loved one, and their value of life. There are limitations, such as if you die, your relationship of love is lost for yourself, but not neccersarilly for your loved one towards you. Love is stronger than death even though it can't prevent death from happening; that even though death is inevitable, no matter how hard death tries it can't separate people from love. So if we consider this context, then love can't take away our memories either. In the end, life is stronger than death. If it comes to the instinctual event that to risk dying will guarrantee saving your loved one then, for me, it is worth it. lol how farcical does that sound!

"The summit is just a halfway point"
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What's Worth Dying For?

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"To wish for death is a coward's part." [Timidi est optare necem.] Ovid"

Anything and everything you truly believe in.

"What's the point in not conforming, if it changes you?"

LOve--may it be love or country or someone so dear to you.

"The only thing worth dying for is death."

Well said. I may sound like a bit of a selfish ego-cynical snob, but I cant think of any reason to want to die.(except for the above) Certainly not love. Love is already a selfish emotion, so for me to die for love is just suicide. To die for principles or beliefs, real bad. For others, think about it this way, how would you feel for the rest of your life if someone close to you died for you. Do you really want to leave that behind? Since there is no proof yet we can see the living from the grave your good deed goes unfelt or seen by you. Why die when you cant feel the gratification or even pat your ownself on the back; self gratification is just as selfish as altruism too.

Feeling guilty because someone sacrificed themselves for you is an incorrect reaction to someone's sacrifice for you. It can be interpreted in a manner where you would forever, from that point forward, feel more free to love yourself because there is an unfettered example of proof that you are worthy of being loved.

To convince someone that they are truly worthy of being loved by dying for them could be the greatest gift you bestow upon someone. Of course, doing it for anything but a necessary choice would be stupidity and it would only convince the other person that you were willing to die to prove to them that you loved them... whether that makes them feel loved or not is questionable.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

I like to think nothing we do is ever innocent.

That's a naive outlook on life. Some people actually manage to maintain their true humanity amidst a universe of corruption. It is possible to learn about corruption through experience without being corrupted.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

"I like to think nothing we do is ever innocent."

Off-Topic

Anyone who enjoys thinking a certain thing and decides that they will leave out information in the way they think just so they can keep that state of mind up, anyone who denies information so they stay (Mmm, irony) innocent to what is actually going on, is a very pathetic individual and will never experience true emotion.

"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

I think I misread incorrect for innocent, did you change it? My thoughts are the still the same, "... aren't ever innocent or incorrect." I don't see it as a naive response to life. Quite the opposite. That misread underlines my sentiment.

It spars with the other response too:
" true emotions" and the assesment that an individual becomes pathetic.

To me both true or incorrect are judgments we make based on a need or a want for a final answer and hence a final method of aquiring so too. Ruled by passion and naive to what is really going on. I tend to take a more naturalistic point of view on life. When we make decisions or judgments we assert our opinion from a finite point of ourselves, our minds, that makes us hardly innocent. If we can only act in a way that is consistant with cause and effect, then all we do is hardly incorrect.

One thing is for sure, this is leading off topic, I'll start a separate post later to elaborate.

No it isn't. We are finding out why you would not die for something. The logic behind your statement. We are still very much on topic.

To say that nothing we do is innocent you assume that everyone is fully aware of all the conseqeunces of their actions.

Hypothetical-

I said to my girlfreind the other day that I loved her. From her last relationship she was hurt very badly and she loved him. I did not know that. When I told her that I love her it hurt her. I, innocently, hurt her.

You are saying that I did not hurt her in innocence.

Is that about right? I'm just not too sure of where you are coming from and I'm trying to clear that up.

"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

Our definition of innocence is not being clarified and this is the reason for the dispute. To aw, it seems to be something more humanitarian (as with my own definition) whereas to Tri it seems to define "without a perceived knowledge of the outcome". Both are correct in the correct context.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."