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529 Posts / 30M
     :   20yrs   :  
ChrisD

I don't agree. [+ favourites]

Decius, what happened to that debate about karma and anger repression between you and forgiveness? I read the responses and felt that was going somewhere. I hope you wouldn't delete it because you thought you were wrong... I really hope that's not the case.


"I try my best to be just like I am but everybody wants you to be just like them."

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2841 Posts / 92M
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Decius

That argument wasn't going anywhere.

I never delete things because I'm proven wrong.

She's a nut-job. But more importantly, she wasn't qualifying even one thing she said, which didn't make it a debate.

Closed minded twat.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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     :   49yrs   :  
Forgiveness

Decius, I was not having an argument. I was stating facts, the Divine Truth, because the consequences to you and others can be extensive, guilt and hatred whether directed within or projected onto others, necessitate serious attention. Negate, this is an important distinction, and failure to understand it can lead to important spiritual error. This is an important distintion the failure to understand.
Reality testing, a useful interpretation and use for guilt is respect for parameters and boundaries. Thereby, guilt and fear are matured into caution and wisdom. Because the problem is internal rather than external attempts to control compulsive cravings to anger and guilt with "will power" (the ego) rarely succeed, nor does gratification of the endless desires, which only gives temporary relief. I stress the bsic concepts of humility, inner honesty, responsibility and surrender to a power greater than oneself. Failure to respond to such is due to the unwillingness to drop resistaces that emanates from the core of the ego itself.









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Decius

Do you see what I'm saying?

She/it is insane.

The above message, for example, can be decoded, for it is a cryptic suggestion offered in a reversed pattern in order to make the initial suggestions appear less harmful. This is actually an effective method of manipulation:

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surrender to a power greater than oneself

...is offered at the end of the post. Yet, it is referenced throughout the post. For example:

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I was stating facts, the Divine Truth

It claims to know the divine truth - this is linked to the quote above, as the end of the paragraph serves to state that the Divine Truth is a power greater than "oneself" (hence me), and that I should surrender to that power, which is contained within her/it.

Hence, I should surrender to her because she is greater than me, for she is a part of, or contains a part of, this divine knowledge. The use of the word divine is a means of manipulation, as well.

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because the consequences to you and others can be extensive

The propagation of fear, predictably. "I am the divine truth and if you do not follow my guidelines you will suffer."

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necessitate serious attention

and
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spiritual error

Both phrases that belittle the receivant for they are reminiscent of a teacher or superior correcting those below them. "I am the divine truth and if you do not follow my guidelines, child, you will suffer."

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I was stating facts... because the consequences can be great

The suggestion that she/it has regard for me, the receivant, and this is the force that compells she/it to share this information. "I am the divine truth and if you do not follow my guidelines provided with love, my child, you will suffer."

Finally, you will note that nearly every post she/it has made in rebuttal to my criticisms is lead by a happy face. This is a form of intimidation, saying: Why are you so bothered if you are right? I am not bothered, because I am at peace with myself.

But truly, this does not serve to ACTUALLY calm the receivant - the receivant wishes to cause an emotional response in she/it. Asserting that no emotional response has been created, arbitrarily, serves to assert superiority rather than kinship.

The smile at the end re-asserts this, in this last post, which means the compensation for my actions is pressing on her/it more, for this post demanded one at the start, and one at the end.

This creature of spectacle is a dangerous one because hidden underneath all the desire to place you beneath her and provide her attention as a result is the neverending projection that she has your best interests in mind - which would be proven absolutely false if she was challenged to that task in any real manner that was actually something she did not want to do (like lend you money, for example. I'd be a lot more likely to paypal you over 1000 bucks than she would).


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

718 Posts / 23M
     :   35yrs   :  
Sorceress

Decius there was a time that I thought you were just a complete an utter cynical twit with only one view point and no room to budge. But after that response and complete breakdown to this (Forgiveness) person's superiority speech or should I say waffle, I see you in a whole new light and I have to say I am impressed, and I think you are completely sane after all! With that response you have made me realise how psychology really can illustrate a person's completely self deluded personality and I will endeavour to look more closely at other such posts in the future.


""Each child holds the world in an open hand to mould it into any shape they choose.""

12 Posts / 5M
     :   49yrs   :  
Forgiveness

The self-honesty arising from the self examination requisite to "know thyself" requires not only courage but also the willingness to relinquish self-judgment and surrender to God. The core of the ego itself, with the conviction that it is the author and primordial source of one's very life and existence, must also be surrendered to God. The ego is concerned with physical survival, emotional pleasure, and personal gain, that also must be surrendered to God.

Opportunities for change can be seen as invitations rather than as moral obligations, and these options really offer greater degrees of freedom and inner happiness. However, one is free at all times to hold them in abeyance. Examples abound of failure to act or function "blindsided" with unprepareness.
The charge of the karmic spiritual body is set by intention, decision, and alignment by intention. It appears to naive perception that what is not intellectually explicable seems to be falsehood.
Neutrality allows for participation and the enjoyment of life because, experientially, life becomes more like play than a high stake involvement. This is consistent with the teachings of the Tao, in that the flow of life is neither sought nor resisted.
Thus, veneration for the great teachers, ie the Buddha, Jesus and the likes, is based on confirmable fact and not just myth.

Guilt is a function of the normal superego or conscience, and is a mechanism of restraint to counterbalance the animal instincts and impulses of what Freud termed the "Id", which is composed of very primitive repressed instincts. While an excess of guilt calls for correction, its total absence is more serious and is generally a consequence of a congenial pathological condition that leads to various forms of criminality.

The inflated ego is vulnerable to attacks. Pride is weak because it can be knocked off its pedestal into shame, which is the threat thast fires the fear of loss of pride.


156 Posts / 14M
     :   18yrs   :  
zachfrenzel

Forgiveness got pwnd

Decius + 5 life points


"Be careful what you pretend to be because you are what you pretend to be. So it goes. - Vonnegut"

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Ironwood

Forgiveness, my quick question for you is...

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The core of the ego itself, with the conviction that it is the author and primordial source of one's very life and existence, must also be surrendered to God.


What god or perhaps belief system do you referrence, if this is covered on some other thread you may link it and or direct me.

The quick follow up question/point I have is...

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Thus, veneration for the great teachers, ie the Buddha, Jesus and the likes, is based on confirmable fact and not just myth.


Many of the teachings are indeed based on fact.

Many are not, as well as the existance of the teachers themselves.

To which do you hold allegiance to your attempted point and "philosphy", the teachings or the teachers?

And to Decius' astutely made point, what divine truth do you feel you posess?

Forgive my ignorance for I missed out on this prior correspondence.


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

529 Posts / 30M
     :   20yrs   :  
ChrisD

I agree with what Forgiveness said about pride.


"I try my best to be just like I am but everybody wants you to be just like them."

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2959 Posts / 60M
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Wyote

Sounds like Westboro Baptist Church rantings to me.


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12 Posts / 5M
     :   49yrs   :  
Forgiveness

There are some who hears and then there are some who listen.
Examination of the mind structure shows that its function is comparable to the hardware of a computer, and its software represents the programming society as well as by one's own inhereted influences. The fundamental innocence of mankind is based on the reality that the human mind is incapable of discerning truth from falsehood. It has no innate defense against utilization of its hardware to play any introduced software program without prior approval, discernment, or options of one's own will.
Due to the nature of the software and the underlying hardware this indicates a degree of impairment of the capacity of recognition of Reality by substitution of percerption, distortion and the misidentification of appearance with essence. Also, of great interest is that every single action, feeling, or thought registers permanently beyond time and space in the all-encompassing contextual field of consciousness. Therefore, any event whether a thought, feeling or action is forever identifiable.

The fields of consciousness consist of energy vibration whose patterns leave a distinguishable track and are experienced as one's own life. Out of the patterning of the vibrational track arises the forms inherent in Karmic consequenses of acts of one's own will. Naively, personal consciousness indentifies the self, with the body, the mind, and the emotions. Then, by good fortune or as a result of Karmic "merit",the spiritual truth is heard and becomes inspirational, and with further good fortune, a spiritual teacher is encountered.



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Ironwood

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There are some who hears and then there are some who listen.


And since you speak just to hear yourself, we are left to listen and know where you fall on this list, yes?


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

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