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735 Posts / 39M
     :   19yrs   :  
MugenNoKarayami

It seems as though, from what I could gather from the way you replied, that something about this condition of yours has lead you to experiment with people's intellect or reason to think one can give insight.

Are you trying to research one's nature on reacting to certain things who you believe to not have the same condition as you? like you said in your first reply to Decius, "However, in all things reflected, it is very difficult not to reflect some facet of self-truth, or self-perception, without allowing some aspect of yourself be shown."

There seems to be something in your replies that is giving yourself away as to why you're here at this time asking these questions, and even by noting you have a condition but not specifying what, may or may not affect the answers you're looking for. I can't quite pin point what that might be at the moment, but continuing to analyze your replying posts would better my understanding for your intentions.

What are you studying for your PhD, may I ask? A branch of Psychology? Social, perhaps?


"I'm a human being, God Dammit!! My life has value!!!"

856 Posts / 40M
     :   21yrs   :  
Jacker_Jones

From the last IQ test I took it said my IQ was 128.
I'm guessing to have already started on your phd you were home schooled or had your parents pay for some fancy school or maybe you had a scholorship.
What I am curious about is why do you care if people are stupid? Is it because you have trouble relating to someone who is stupid or is it because you wish everyone was like you. My attitude is someone needs to drive the buses in the world. We do not or should not have very inteligent people driving buses because they will be bored and not happy.


"I love to see people struggling for their purpose in life..."

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2952 Posts / 60M
     :   24yrs   :  
Wyote

quote:
We do not or should not have very inteligent people driving buses because they will be bored and not happy.


Not true, but perhaps it isn't the best use of their time nor is it utilizing their maximum potential. As the original poster pointed out, there is a majority of folks out there who have a desire to learn, but sadly never have the capacity. I myself often feel as though my capacity to learn is inadequate.


"I am Akba-Atatdia"

28 Posts / 10M
     :   22yrs   :  
Fleeting_dreams

In regards to my education, i went to a normal government school and the fact i have already begun my PhD has nothing to do with my socioeconomic situation, nor that of my parents. Also, at no point in my life have i been home schooled or revived private tuition. However, yes, for those whom might be curious, i do have a very difficult time in relating to others, irrespective of their mental capacity. Though, i must admit, there is no sensation in this world, stranger, than watching your psychiatrist shrink in his chair. Lastly, yes i am aware that i am allowing small articles of myself to be shown. However, this is deliberate and not without purpose.
In regards to my PhD subject, i have studied broadly throughout my years, both through academic institutions and personal curiosity and the human sciences, such as psychology and social psychology are areas into which, i have looked. Yet, i always become bored with such subjects as i often find them to be starved of all subjectivity and overshadowed by empirical ideologies.
I much prefer freedom when it comes to such things and thus, my subject would fall within the realm of literature and is structured around a book i have been writing, or have written, should i say.
Lastly, when i use the word 'condition' you should understand i use the term only to represent the commonalities perceived by the majority of society. Essentially, though it dose have a name, or several names, it is a complex issue and still to this day, i leave a trail of specialists and so called experts, baffled and scratching their heads, in my wake.


"The parable to which you bow."

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2840 Posts / 92M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

It seems you are seeking identity and fellowship in your cryptic approach to introducing yourself here. Yet, you seem to perceive that you will gain what you seek by presenting yourself in a manner that ultimately places you out of arms reach of others, and therefore, likely to be respected as more intelligent or mysterious.

Referring to your PHD and the mysterious "condition" of yours that seems to have baffled so many "experts" without really providing sufficient honest information about your own persona is simply an attempt at placing yourself at the heart of interest without making yourself vulnerable. It creates the insecurity in those around you that they may not attempt to criticize or pigeonhole you for so many people far more educated than them have failed to do so.

Of course, your education prevents you from doing this in a common way so it is layered with the guise of open mindedness and the pursuit of intelligence and/or truth. But you keep returning to treating other people as less intelligent as you because you keep witholding information from them with the subtle aura that they are not ready to receive it, whereas you are.

Everyone is as capable and intelligent as everyone else. What stops us is ego and insecurity. The only way for you to find what you are looking for (which is not to alienate others) is to treat them with respect.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

735 Posts / 39M
     :   19yrs   :  
MugenNoKarayami

It didn't hit me to ask until now, but Fleeting_dreams, what is your I.Q? Maybe knowing this will help me understand this little situation that is unfolding.


"I'm a human being, God Dammit!! My life has value!!!"

28 Posts / 10M
     :   22yrs   :  
Fleeting_dreams

Laying it on the line, i have ASD and have been described as what is commonly known as a high-functioning autistic. However, i have also been said to have the following; borderline personality complex, dissociative personality complex, insomnia and ADHD inattentive.
As for my IQ, when i was first tested in my younger years, it was around 125, which is highly unusual for someone so young and from what i have been told from recent results, it is around 190 - 210. Unfortunately, this limits my involvement in some activities and i am not allowed to enter a casino or participate in games shows, which offer cash prizes.
Also just to clear something up, nihilistic perspectives are a major factor in my condition, thus i see my self as no more superior to anyone else and whilst my methods of gaining insight may seem obscure, they are sound.
What people say, to me, are just words and when staring into a crowd, i see faces, not people. Thus, the comments i originally made cannot be owned, because it would be impossible for me to hold such ideas. Simply, i was putting a personal thought, perception or emotion, into an area where it would otherwise be devoid.
Also for those of you who are now curious, my limitations lay in the simplest of things. I struggle with rational cognitive thought processes. Simple math problems are always a pain, because no matter what, my mind keeps insisting there is more to it and i have a tendency to over complicate things. I will repeat actions over and over again, until i grow board and am able to move onto something else. Relationships are troublesome and i find it almost impossible to maintain social obligations. Time, without constant reminding, has no meaning and i will spend hours on the most mundane of tasks, whilst rushing through other things.
Lastly, the one people seem to find most amusing is my complete and utter lack of physical coordination. Physical problems, for example, are most frustrating. I see it, understand it and have constructed and method by which to solve it, yet when i reach out, my hands never communicate with my brain and i end up in all kinds of messes. Shoe laces were a nightmare, which took years to overcome. Don't laugh.
I seldom find enjoyment it things, yet always seem compelled to learn and will spend countless hours reading, writing and researching. Yet, sadly, once aware, i am always kept at a distance from the world i seem drawn to most. Even if i want conversation, people tend to avoid it. Why, is something i cannot understand. If you have some insight, please, feel free to make a suggestion.
If, by making this thread, you think i was trying to come off as mysterious or superior, please forgive me, as this was not my intention. Simply put, i was looking for true curiosity and interest into areas, which would seldom concern others. I think, from a research disciplinary point of view, this would be called a passive anthropological approach.
Of those whom replied, it is clear MugenNoKarayami is the most curious and at no point, made any direct statements. His insight was non-bias and always subjective. And even though my opening statement might have been seen as confronting, he took it with a grain of salt and felt no personal challenge.
Decius, started in the same way, but with each post became increasingly cynical. However, i was providing him with enough live-ammo to fell an African elephant. Clearly of a psychological/sociological academic stance, you over analyzed and fell into believing that all actions and individuals can be interpreted and understood. By far the largest limitation when it comes to such perspectives is trying to find a rational point in an irrational subject; human nature.
With that said, i would like to take this opportunity to say, hello and if you wouldn't mind, i would very much like to linger around this forum and play an active role, when ever the chance arises.


"The parable to which you bow."

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2840 Posts / 92M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

And finally, we are fulfilled.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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2952 Posts / 60M
     :   24yrs   :  
Wyote

What an odd way of asserting equality. Hello and welcome Fleeting_dreams. I would have accepted you all the same, without all of the theatrics.


"I am Akba-Atatdia"

127 Posts / 13M
     :   26yrs   :  
Jimbobby

I've learned that trying to think what another person is thinking too much is damamging. Instead, it is better to develop your way of thinking- or feeling. This way you develop a silent power called respect.


"Only gay people have quotes to look good"

735 Posts / 39M
     :   19yrs   :  
MugenNoKarayami

I see now. There was that feeling that insisted this was the case, but I didn't want to say it and possibly offend you... that should be reasonable because I'm so used to people going off at something I don't understand about them. ^_^; Now that I know for sure, oddly enough, I have come to be familiar with communicating with a friend of mine who shares this same 'problem', if you will.

This is actually exciting for me, because certain times, I've come to see the magnitude of his 'intellect', and can completely understand why simple cognitive thought and communication may seem impossible, and I've also experienced this myself on a few occasions. Seeing as though you are able to solidify most of your thoughts on here, without losing too much meaning, is sufficient enough for me to better understand where you're coming from and see your perspective through my own eyes... even though I was only able to see a fraction of what you may be experiencing.

What I'm curious about is, from seeing your point, are you afraid of people around you because they in no way can relate, keep up, or understand what you're trying to convey to them?

I've come to see it, at times, that one who possesses this ability is harnessing human capability... stepping outside of the lock of time and others around just seem to be in slow motion. And waiting for others to keep up becomes veryy.... irritating, I guess you could say, for lack of a better word at the moment.

If anything else, I am now more interested than ever to know more about you! Even offer to be an outlet of some sort for you to feel completely free to communicate or express yourself as you see you should or want to. It's a lot easier to express ones self by means of typing or writing, because you probably know, too many thoughts come rushing in when you're trying to talk, so typing them out seems to slow down or solidify those thought processes.


The reason I never took any of your replies as threats, is because I knew from the very first post there was something behind it.. mainly because of the title and the following posts.


"I'm a human being, God Dammit!! My life has value!!!"

28 Posts / 10M
     :   22yrs   :  
Fleeting_dreams

Essentially, i respect everyone around me and never look down upon them. Strangely, it is not that people frighten me as such and it is not that i think they cannot keep up with me, its the reverse actually. Communication and physical actions are difficult for me and take a like time to process. Thus, when meeting me, people at one glance think there is something wrong with me and avoid me like the plague. However, when they do get to know me and discover what is going on in the background, they still avoid me, but for entirely abstract reasons.
Writing for me, is an outlet, that i could not be without and though requires some physical attributes, i was lucky enough to find a soft-touch keyboard, which enables me to type almost as fast as i can think.


"The parable to which you bow."

127 Posts / 13M
     :   26yrs   :  
Jimbobby

I've found - actually it found me - that when I was younger I sought intelligence - intelligent people and intelligent works. But its failry useless without experience - so get a load of that and aim for wisdom. But wisdom is limited too - you learn what to do in certain circumstances - but what happens in new ones?

So the ultimate aim is resourcefulness. Why? Reality kicks in. Intelligence and wisdom are stagnant without this word. So you learn how to be 'in - genius'. Thats what separates scientists and thinkers from magicians; creativity and being corageous - practically.

Resourcefulness doesn't mean you analyse another's feelings but it can help you earn a people's respect (note comment above). A mis-fit had the capacity to carry on being this or to have the power to be admired and accepted. People who are markedly different are either feared or admired. Your choice.


Like people who struggle to find academic work easy; they may find socialising more easy. Your battle is the opposite fom what I see.

So there you go. Become a magician. lol.

You might do well to read Leonardo Da Vinvc's writings - especially his parables and 'tricks'. Experimenting with what does or doesn't work in certain social cases (within the law!) can only be useful - practice on strangers first. Maybe there's another David Blaine lurking.


"Only gay people have quotes to look good"

28 Posts / 10M
     :   22yrs   :  
Fleeting_dreams

I do enjoy social parables. I think E. A, Poe was another who designed some rather strange tactics to utilize in various circumstances. However, finding such examples is rather difficult and even more so, to find legitimate ones.


"The parable to which you bow."

127 Posts / 13M
     :   26yrs   :  
Jimbobby

quote:
However, finding such examples is rather difficult and even more so, to find legitimate ones


lol. That's the point of my above post. Experiment, create, design, practice some...of your own - that literature can be seen as learning or inspiration. The difference is one is inward looking the other outward looking.


"Only gay people have quotes to look good"

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