excessive much?

excessive much? [+ favourites]

I've had a thought juggling in my head for a few minutes and I was wondering...

Did God completely give up on mankind when eve disobeyed 'him' by eating the apple? Couldn't God have taught them what was right or let them redeem themselves, instead of disowning them both without question?

To me, if you create something like temptation, and allow two consciously aware beings to explore that, but tell them not to do something, of course temptation is going to win because it's an experience is completely foreign to them. I actually commend eve for doing what she did, because despite knowing God's all mighty power and potential wrath, she dove into the unknown and let go of fear and did what she wanted, and discovered wisdom as a result.

"I'm a human being, God Dammit!! My life has value!!!"

While Eve can be seen as commendable, she can also be seen as really insolent and ungrateful by going against the one who gave her life, love, and happiness and stupid for daring to challenge the most powerful being's order.

God must have created that temptation on purpose. He knew Eve would do that (since he knows everything), so it's all in his plan for whatever.

And if God gave up, why didn't he just destroy Adam and Eve? If he gave up, why send Jesus? Why bother letting the rest of mankind live? Why not just put us in hell directly? Isn't living a virtuous life as Jesus taught a redemption for that?

"How can we be just in a world without mercy and merciful in a world without justice?"

How can a being that knows everything give up?

"Experience of personal reality verifies existence."

It really does beg the question, because like attolia said, if he already knows everything, why would he do such a thing to mankind?

I can definitely see why it would be bad as well, when he specifically said not to eat the fruit or you'll die, but if he didn't want that to happen he wouldn't have made temptation or a humans curiosity that would fall for it.

And if he already knew it would happen, why would he punish them and the rest of mankind to come?

"I'm a human being, God Dammit!! My life has value!!!"

Why not, instead of thinking what if, we discuss what the possible answers to your questions would imply?

"Experience of personal reality verifies existence."

I think it's kind of a tough love, really. I believe this is all a lesson for our mistake.

GOD: " you wanna know all the knowledge of good and evil? Fine, here you go for the rest of you existence."

And when it's all over, you come before GOD with a question to you: " have you head enough? Have you learned your lesson?"

when you undoubtedly say yes - - truthfully, he allows you back into his loving arms and you can experience existence how it was intended to be.

"I'm a human being, God Dammit!! My life has value!!!"

are you talking about when we die as individuals,or mankind as a whole?

"Gentlemen? Bitch, I radiate chivalry!"

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are you talking about when we die as individuals,or mankind as a whole?

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"I'm a human being, God Dammit!! My life has value!!!"

Why would any god teach a lesson to his creation when the foul up was on his/her hands?

"Experience of personal reality verifies existence."

This can go into the whole discussion of why God created evil. He could have made us angels dwelling in Paradise, but instead he created beings that would sin and go against his orders. There's a wisdom behind this. It sounds like a trick question even. Maybe he's testing to see how close we can get to being angels while under worldly temptations? Dunno.

"How can we be just in a world without mercy and merciful in a world without justice?"

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Why would any god teach a lesson to his creation when the foul up was on his/her hands?

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This can go into the whole discussion of why God created evil.

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but instead he created beings that would sin and go against his orders.

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"I'm a human being, God Dammit!! My life has value!!!"

Maybe he's testing to see how close we can get to being angels while under worldly temptations?

Why would a creature that knows everything test?

He could have made us angels dwelling in Paradise, but instead he created beings that would sin and go against his orders.

I am pretty sure as the story goes, as I assume you are referring primarily to christian theology, that even angels sin.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, right? Maybe evil exists because good exists.

That law only accounts for transfers of energy. "Evil" and "good" are issues of morality and have no evidence of any physical property.

Temptation to commit an evil act is a choice. Giving a conscious being a choice between two decisions with every single thing they do would make for a very interesting existence,

Free choice is an illusion. Following the current theories of physics and psychology, all events that take place in the universe follow laws as does the human mind. Your choices are just the results of your genetics, conditioning, and current stimuli. The randomness is a result of our inability to predict its complex process. Though I am sure an entity such as God would be able to figure it out.

"Experience of personal reality verifies existence."

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That law only accounts for transfers of energy. "Evil" and "good" are issues of morality and have no evidence of any physical property.

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"Gentlemen? Bitch, I radiate chivalry!"

but maybe even God needs a balance.

It doesn't make sense to me how the Christian God, or any other for that matter of the alpha and omega description, would ever be capable of a balance. The god would be both sides to the same coin.

"yeah,that hur like hell didnt it?" asks the dad."you wont do that again will ya?".

I've been waiting for some one to mention this. The issue here is that it is often better for a creature to learn through experience than being told. However, this is human nature we are talking about which would also be something created by God, as I am to understand it.
In either case, what we are implying about God is he is closer to a child in a sand box lighting ants on fire than an all loving and understanding father and the gateway to "salvation".

"Experience of personal reality verifies existence."

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It doesn't make sense to me how the Christian God, or any other for that matter of the alpha and omega description, would ever be capable of a balance. The god would be both sides to the same coin.

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I've been waiting for some one to mention this. The issue here is that it is often better for a creature to learn through experience than being told.

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"I'm a human being, God Dammit!! My life has value!!!"