Tired of Arguing

Tired of Arguing [+ favourites]

How many of you people are here to actually expand your minds?

Now stop, close your eyes, open them again, then read that line again.

Don't react immediately. Don't assume you are trying to expand your minds just because you think you like to talk intellectual. Maybe a whole lot of the reason you like to talk intellectual is to assert that you have a better hold of intellectualism (or just discussion tactics) than other people.

In this case, you're just compensating for insecurity.

It seems 90% of the people I talk to only fuck around. They make stupid points, stupid comparisons, and then I spend all my time trying to educate them about why their wrong. Then, after all my diplomacy and logical reasoning I realize that they simply... do not want to change their minds.

Right... now, you're thinking, (because you're an idiot) that I'm a self-righteous stubborn asshole who just always wants to be right. And you (assholes) have made me really question my intentions over time.

But I'm really open minded. Give me a hypothesis you really believe in and have an open mind and I'll talk with you about it. I'll never, and have never, demeaned anyone intentionally who actually desires to criticise themselves. Similarly, I never disrepect someone who tries to honestly criticise me.

I altered the rules on this board and changes so many things around and made it strict because I want a certain environment here.

I used to hang out with a friend and discuss things for hours. We argued plenty and even disagreed but we always, always came to a mutually agreeable conclusion, no matter what.

Why?

Because there are only so many premises between two people. And these premises must, when added up, equate the same thing. If both people are willing to accept this, they will both have a new conclusion and a larger set of premises. Both people are better off and both people are better scientists.

A scientist is a beautiful thing. A true scientist, in any regard, seeks the truth. Personal ego and biases should not enter the situation.

That's the environment I want... and every once in a while when this place gets popular I look around and realize there are no conversations I want to engage in. I read them, look at them, and see that almost every person in every discussion is just verbally masturbating. You have the one or two exceptions who are actually absorbing information, but the major talkers go on and on, masking legitimacy with a little streak of being a prick.

It's old. The dry witted sarcastic person that puts the other person down is not stronger. He or she is not more confident or sure. He or she is just using what conditioning they are learning in popculture to assert an artificial superiority in all their environments.

Most people who come here don't really like me. I'm sure a lot of you have the wrong impression of me, and a lot of the rest of you dislike me quite a bit. Even if I appologize, or try to reason with some of you, you constantly argue without once thinking that maybe I'm not doing it for me.

It's so unfathomable that someone would actually care nowadays, that people are so bent on turning me into an asshole. It's classic projection. You expect me to compensate for an unhappy life and insecurities by creating a website and taking control and bashing people in order to assert that I'm just as tough as the good looking cool guys.

I'm just an example. This negative perspective, which is almost always correct in everyday life must be controlled. If you come to a place like this, don't pollute it by treating everyone here like you do shitheads at the mall, or in the club, or at work.

Even if they aren't really assholes, they will be at work, and so will you. They will be superficial and dishonest and treacherous.

There's a means of compensating for this negative environment that you spend 90% of your time in. Vent your need to be vulnerable here. That's what I want, and that's what I desperately try to do. I want to create an environment where you can truly educate yourself, and the only way to do it is to have an open mind.

And the only way to have an open mind is to be vulnerable. Assume, for a minute, that the guy speaking to you on here isn't trying to put you down or assert his superiority. Maybe, he's just looking for a safe haven to grow in.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

It's shameful that you even have to assert this, to others as well as yourself.. Anyone who looks at your posts in a critical way should be able to see your motives. By reading only a handful I can understand where somebody may get tthe wrong impression, but after being around a month or two it should be quite obvious.

Having post restrictions makes a lot of sense for many reasons yet instead of stopping to think about what those might be - and making logical refutations about them - people simply bitch.

I use to be a post whore, maybe I still am but I try very hard not to be. I empathize with your plight because I post a lot less these days due to similar reasons. Why would I want to join in any discussion where I know my opinions/statements will simply be torn apart by egomaniacs with essentially no logical, heartfelt input?

"I am Akba-Atatdia"

I'll admit my intentions when I first came to this site are different than my intentions today. I thought I might actually learn something by coming here. To my surprise, it was a lot like talking about philosophy with your classmates from highschool. I don't know about you but that just sucks. No offense Decius but this site is a haven for egomaniacal philosophers.

My intentions these days seem to be showing these "philosophers" the flaws in the claims they bring up over and over AND OVER AND OVER again. Maybe my behavior became unnacceptable, but I guarantee if there were more than 2 people I actually respected on this site I probably would have stayed with my original reason for coming here.

The fact is no one has any answers, no one wants to find answers. These people would rather post random facts about themselves than figure out the meaning of life.

"I try my best to be just like I am but everybody wants you to be just like them."

I can remember coming to this website and thinking that it was awesome. It became a big part of my life. I started posting everyday and probably was even looking up to Decius a bit, although I must admit I never always agreed with his dictatorship ruling here. But, I have found that now I read the posts and am just dissappointed and perhaps maybe Decius is right. I also these days can't read the paper because I am rarely entertained and I look and just think stupidity. Sometimes people start arguing with me but it's like what do I say when what I say can't even really be absorbed. So I talk sarcasm and it helps infact it's really fun. Forget teaching people it's a waste of time.

"I love to see people struggling for their purpose in life..."

When I first came to this site I too thoiught I was a badass. I pretty much wanted to only prove my point. After about two months of being told I was being a prick, I realized I was being and pricked and then I really started learning. Mainly from Decius, but from many other members aswell. I see myself, or at least did, as one of, if not the, most active posteres on this forum. I was litterally addicted to all the different things it provided.

I now read almost every post, and like D, there is nothing here that interest me. It seems that almost every just wants to be right. I know that I am open minded. Some of you may disagree, but there are many people here that have changed me, therefor i must have had an open mind.

I honestly do beleive that this site has done me a lot of good, and that it has help me greatly expand my mind, and that I still do, but the material is getting really stale...

I think its just that you can only get so much from the internet.

"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

In a completely unbiased opinion, I think the cause of the never ending tripe that plagues this board is somewhat Decius' fault. One of the most knowledgeable people ever to post on this board (if not the most knowledgable) was constantly having his posts deleted and was always under a post limit. I know what you're thinking... this person isn't me though, an understandable mistake. This person was wittgenstien and if you ever read any of his posts, they were always completely topical, well thought out, thorough and all composed with an unmistakable style. He was a rare jewel, the likes this board had never seen. To limit the posts of a person like this, I cannot comprehend it. But you see, many of the posters on this board do nothing against any of Decius' unstated rules, which means they aren't weeded out. A person we all could have learned from was constantly silenced and eventually left from the frustration rooted in the mass amounts of ignorance on this board. I don't blame him. I figure, he, like myself, must have seen the great potential in this site and was let down, time after time, by the stupidity of many of the posters and possibly some of the moderators on here.

"I try my best to be just like I am but everybody wants you to be just like them."

I love and enjoy doing things that make people think freely. That challenge peoples' assumptions. Each time I am presenting something to someone that causes them to ponder and think about something they've never thought about is a prize and a victory. To expand peoples knowledge, giving them the opportunity to explore ideas/concepts that are backed up with solid academic evidence is a reasonable purpose of why I come here.

Many members and administrators tend to generalise, provoke, antagonise and deceive others, because they are either snobs, pretentious or insecure. The obvious problem is that many lack doubt in their assumptions on knowledge in almost any topic. Lack of doubt appears in members and administrators who become overly confident that they're on the right track. This breeds stupidity and complacency. As a result, this leads to counterproductive pride, where they consequently end up defending an erroneous stance (and often based on illogical, unreasonable claims). It is only the skeptics of knowledge that will personally broaden their mind .

Forum debates and discussions get heated due to several factors. However I think a large part of it is caused by three factors, namely- snobbery, pretentiousness, and/or insecurity.

Snobbery: Some members and administrators attempt to infringe on a topic that they don't understand. This portrays ignorance. Ignorance is the cause, and snobbery can be the effect.

Pretentiousness: Some members and administrators are pretentious because the things they're complaining about really aren't that important. As long as the message is clear and within the appropriate context to the forum topic it parses correctly.

Insecurity: Some members and administrators evoke insecurity because they don't admit that perhaps they're not fully understanding the topic, they're hiding behind some set of rules they understand in order to hide the fact that they're too stuck up to understand/learn "new" forms of knowledge. These people aren't skeptical of knowledge.

So it should be a challenge for several members and administrators to smash stereotypes and assumptions based on claiming unreasonable absolutes. And if you already do this, kudos to you and continue to be skeptical.

"The summit is just a halfway point"

Ok too long on my post and it got deleted cus of login failure, so here is the abridged verion -_-

Decius sorry for shit, all CC members, im sorry I feel I was the straw that broke the camels back- SW
Decius dont delete shit just cus you think it isn\'t good.
Example: MetalGiants posts on vegatarians
I like this site because of the people on it.
New people come here to learn AND to be egotistical little shits.
Be more compassionate and understanding to your species.
Loosen restrictions,
Please....

"Dark and silent and complete."

The closest comparison for this site's administration to a government would probably be nazi germany.

"I try my best to be just like I am but everybody wants you to be just like them."

ChrisD- Witgenstine was only talking to hear himself talk. He did not care about what anyone else had to say back to him, he only waited for them to talk and then attacked their ideas. He was only here to prove himself correct, and not to learn the truth. There is no need for a person like that in these forums, but even worse, such a person breeds other idiots who will do the same thing. He was under a limit because his way of communicating spawned other bad ways of communicating. He was also the type to just masturbate from his mouth to show others that he was as smart as he thought he was. Regardless if he was right or not, that is not the way you talk to other people. IT is disrespectful and arrogent to the point of self-destruction.

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New people come here to learn AND to be egotistical little shits.
Be more compassionate and understanding to your species.

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"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

Wraith, you're an idiot. He knew his stuff, he has a background in philosophy, I can't say the same about you. We could have actually learned something from him. He came here, perhaps to see if what he knew could be proved wrong, a just reason in my opinion. Of course no one here was up to the challenge of even understanding most of what he was pointing out. Maybe if you took the time to read what he wrote, you'd see how much you really don't know. You say he waited for someone to talk and then attacked their ideas... what else do you do in a debate? He was showing people the flaws in their claims. I suppose Socrates was masterbating from his mouth too then? If you think what he did was anti-progressive to this board then I must conclude that you don't have a clue what progression even is.

"I try my best to be just like I am but everybody wants you to be just like them."