Constructive Criticism towards CC Members

I think Decius is too quick to press the panic button.

"I love to see people struggling for their purpose in life..."

Ancient: We all have life experiences that have taught us something. It is human nature to want to share this with people so that they can avoid the mistakes you made because no one informed you. You are completely incorrect in stating that people cannot be fixed. People can fix themselves. First they realize that something needs to be fixed, and secondly they seek information (or determine it) in order to appy a remedy. Not everyone is hypochritical in this endeavor, and since I surely am not I believe that others are not as well.

Greatness is defined differently by me than you. You view it as a comparison with others. I view it as internal greatness.

Again, like awakend, you think I say the succeed line out of arrogance. It is not about arrogance. It is psychological probability. How is one to succeed in the long run if their goals are based on other people's? The only sure-fire way to truly achieve enlightenment is to seek your own path, whatever that may be.

Jacker: I take lots of things seriously when others may not. I don't know if this is a good thing or bad thing... but right now I do believe that most people don't take enough things seriously.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

"People can fix themselves." You missinterperet my meaning. I told him he can't fix every one. Please pay more attention to what I said.

"Greatness is defined differently by me than you. You view it as a comparison with others. I view it as internal greatness. "
I do not believe in internal greatness for such a word requires relavency to other subjects.
http://webster.com/dictionary/greatness

"Dark and silent and complete."

chippy (otherwise known as sleepingwraith and ancient)- you.. are a dumbass. dude. i know.
who the fuck said that sliding was the best way?
you hear something that sounds like it could be good, and although you say you dont care, you take it to heart and it easily takes control of you.
you pretend to be passive, yet you actuall "deal", and by deal i mean bottle up, untill you cant take any more and you go running down the road with no shirt and or shoes.
you vent way too much.
this site is a way to vent for you. not a way to communicate or learn.
you do not give the impression that you are actually listening, because people that listen care.
you get pissed when people dont see past your giant protective walls of bullshit. well guess what, we all see past we, we just stopped careing.
you give up on thigns too quickly. fuck you. people can be fixed. call it faith.



Decius- You are so arrogant you can't see past the fact that I/Ancient/anybody could actually know what the hell you are trying to do. Tthese people, by their nature, feel like testing how far you can go. But no. You don't care. As soon as you think you are being inulted, you decide that they are not worth listening to. I are guilty of setting standards that are very high. And they are un-fair, because you set them with the past experiences of your life as the bases. Not everybody is the same.

"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."
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"you.. are a dumbass. " Yes I'm glad we agree here.
"dude. i know." Sadly I disagree.
"who the fuck said that sliding was the best way?" Who said there was a best way, it's just a way.
"you hear something that sounds like it could be good, and although you say you dont care, you take it to heart and it easily takes control of you." Like a monkey swinging from vine to vine. Yes I do.
"you pretend to be passive" Pretend to be passive? What ever gave you the idea I was pretending to be passive?
"you vent way too much. " How so? Please if I missed the doctor recommended amount to vent some where in life please send me a link so I can catch up.
"this site is a way to vent for you. not a way to communicate or learn." I do vent. I do communicate. But I do not attempt to learn but allow it to happen at whatever pace.
" because people that listen care. " Not really. Listening just means you pay attention. But please correct me on this matter as I know you will.
"you get pissed when people dont see past your giant protective walls of bullshit. " Self analysis only goes so far. Please I like to hear about myself... continue with this part.
"well guess what, we all see past we, we just stopped careing. " Really? I have quite the bit of trouble believing that. You might have but please do not let your mouth sully the good respects of others.
"people can be fixed" Keep on believing. I don't really care just pointing out something that annoys me. You set a standard for people and they don't hit par. Fuck you & Martha Stewart! Don't set standards for people. And don't set standards for me.
I dont expect you to change... I dont even want you to change.

"Dark and silent and complete."

Ancient:

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There is nothing you can do to fix a persons life or mind just because you feel they aren't thinking up to par

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"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

awakend: I will offer you some criticism (which I have done before, but to no avail). You complained that okcitykid ignored your post.

You claimed this was when you were starting to make sense.

Rather than assume this is the case, perhaps you should examine your method of communication.

I have personally found (and this may or may not be the culrpit) that your posts become incomprehensible. Your last post here, for example. I have not read it and I will not read it.

It's fractured, it is hard to understand or read or get a flow going.

You should use capitals and punctuation because people who read are used to using those things to guide where their mind collects information from writing. WIthout those things and without taking the time to think out and write a properly formatted response it becomes increasingly difficult for people to want to read what you write.

You don't necessarily do this all the time, but you do some of the time, and this may contribute to your apparent lack of acknowledgement.

I know I ignore you because of it.

Edit: Also focus on spelling things correctly. Decoding messages is not something anyone else is obligated to do.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

"This is an all inclusive difinitive statement indicating that one cannot do "anything" to fix another person's life." Correct. As I see it there is nothing wrong with any one's life.
"It is defined as "largeness" or "outstanding", without necessary reference to any outside comparisons." What is large or outsanding unless compared to something else that is the opposite???
"I do not say this to intimidate you" I know your not trying to intimidate me... please do not appologize.

"Dark and silent and complete."

So first you say you cannot correct a person's life, then you say that you cannot fix everyone, and now you say no one needs fixing. I'm confused by your confusing statements. People learn, which is how I define "fixing" in your words. Therefore, you are stating that people cannot be taught, then you cannot teach everyone, then no one needs to learn anything. Which is incorrect. You're learning right now, as am I.

"Outside" comparisons. One can be greater than they expected themselves to be. One can be greater than they were a moment ago. One can be great in comparison to their own achievements. Or, ideally, just as great is used to indicate pleasantness (i'm feeling great) greatness can be used to define being in that state. Semantic debates are really pointless because I think it's obvious what I'm communicating.

I did not appologize. I informed without any regret on my part.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

Awakend, it's funny how you tell Ancient that he comes to this site to vent when, to me, it seems like you do it jus as, if not more, often. (Though you also come here to discuss too.)

And now, I stand and wait for the counter attack. Oh boy, I better hold on tight cuz Awakend knows no limits now....

"How can we be just in a world without mercy and merciful in a world without justice?"

Attolia

You are very right Attolia. But you don't understand that i am trying to change, and he gives the impression that he is not. Whether he is or isn't doesn't matter.
I am different because I, regardless of what Decius thinks, trully am humiliated i a way that I beleive many others are incapable of having.

Sweety, you need to let go of what other people think. You need to make your self happy before you can make others happy. And before you are happy, you need to be ok with being yourself. Because lying to yourself will not make a "better" person. And as far as I can tell, you don't like who you are.

"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."
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Decius I'm not ignoring your post.. but you and I just aren't really gonna get much of any where I feel. It's cool though. But I'll give it one more go and try my best to make clear communication here.

When I say you cannot correct or fix a persons life I mean something like this. When you look at a beautiful sunset and the colorful sky as the clouds float past it... just be happy with it. In the same sense, feel about every one else the same way. Do not see their flaws as needing to be fixed but as definitions of who they are.

This is what my gf said when I asked her what she thought love was.
"Having someone I can share anything with.. And doing whatever the hell I want without them ever thinking less of me, no matter what.. And seeing me at my worst, but still thinking I am beautiful and kind. Someone that'll make things easy to loose, hard to keep, but totally worth it.. Having an arguement and still being able to actually say "i love you" and mean it.. Holding on tightly, but not too
tightly or too loosely"
I know you have a kinship to all things and no matter what any of us say here we will always be connected to some degree. But love every one. We are human yeah we will get pissed but just remember the words.

Your use of the word great is ok. I appologize for scrutinizing over it.

And I didn't actually mean appoligize but that you didn't have to explain to me your noble intentions.

"Dark and silent and complete."

I am no longer attempting to change the world. Only my world. We have had this discussion.

The thing is, I know I don't matter, I just don't care. I have my romance. Why are you trying to take it away? What if I'm right.

Fine. Unnececcary was not o good word. You litter it with extra complications that only hurt the conversation, and it pisses me, and everyone else off.

No. I'm not pretending. Thats what you don't get. I am honest. Completely.

I am trying to be happy. I am trying to get to the end of my road. You wouldn't understand, because you have chosen to stand still.

And these agrrivations seem to eat you inside. And it doesn't help your problems with communication, because once you get aggrivated, you stop trying. Like I said, yuo give up too easy.

Chippy. This is important. Listen very carefully...
I don't care if you don't care. I care anyway. i dont need it in return.
You and Sam are very much alike.

And nice to know you don't, but that doesn't change anything. at least we are being honest.

And most importantly


"but I'm still learning what I want and how to go about getting there."
What exactly do you think I'm doing?

It seems that you base your whole theory on me thinking that I am different.
I'm not. Only farther.

"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."
[  Edited by awakendwraith at   ]

Ancient: The two flaws in your logic are:

1. That in helping people improve themselves we are negating love.
2. That helping someone is "thinking less of" them.

By your rational, a parent teaching a child how to walk or swim or read is making the child feel small, and is the opposite of love.

Furthermore, although your gf may believe that criticism is indicative of someone thinking less of her, this is purely the result of insecurity.

Everyone will meet people who know more or have experienced more than them, and they can always educate themselves, ie learn, ie fix themselves in a more improved manner in using this information.

If learning is a good thing, then, the easier it is for one to acquire this information the better it is for them.

So, if you make it easy for someone to acquire your expertise, then you are, in fact, loving them.

You should inform your gf that the acceptance of mediocrity is not the same as love, unless that mediocrity can never be improved. An example of this would be loving a retard.

So to use all of this to explain ME, would I treat a retard the same way I would you or awakend?

Nope. Because a retard knows no better, and as you said, I'd love him or her just the way he or she is.

And the only way anyone else gets that treatment is if they wish to be considered retards. So your gf is in essence saying: "I am not perfect. And whatever flaws I have are the same ones I will have forever because I have reached the peak of my ability to learn. Love me for who I am because this is what I will always be."

Or, to paraphrase:

"My brain is not like most humans. Mine can actually get full. And I had a finite time available to fill it. And whatever it's been filled with is staying that way. I cannot change that."

And if that is the case, good luck with that relationship.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

Kind of coming in in the middle here and i don't want to get too involved. Just want to point out one little thing here though: knowing more than someone else does not mean that everything you know is deserving of being known. The trick is to give people the knowledge they need not the knowledge you or anyone else thinks they need.

"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you."