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Popularity and open mindedness
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1347 Posts / 42M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

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This whole time I have been trying to point out that your beliefs make you closed minded, that that is self-inflicted, that you do this for staiblity, yet you argue with me, and now by your own admission you admit it.


I was not arguing against my own closed mindedness I was arguing about the fact that you cover up your closed mindeness and call it open mindedness. My beliefs give me stability and you mock me. While you try to gain stability and do not achieve it. And all the while you try to tell me that this quest for ignorance is a better way.


"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

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2848 Posts / 94M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

The quest is not for ignorance... the quest involves the acceptance of variable truths. Your word play is incorrect.

And you were arguing your own closed mindedness. don't make me quote you.

And obviously I am open minded if you state that due to this I am less stable than you. Don't contradict yourself.

But it all comes down to this:

Would you rather be ignorantly happy? Or intelligently less happy?

And you have chosen, by your own admission, the first choice.

I choose the second... because I cannot accept anything except truth. My blood and soul won't permit it.

Are you more right than me in your choice? You'll probably be happier.

... but in exchange for that happiness, I'm more right than you.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

1347 Posts / 42M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

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The quest is not for ignorance... the quest involves the acceptance of variable truths. Your word play is incorrect.


It is for ignorance. The acceptance of all ideas leaves no room for certainty and therefore while you have ideas you do not know them because without certainty nothing can be known.

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And you were arguing your own closed mindedness


I stated several times that I am closed minded on some topics but what of it?

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And obviously I am open minded if you state that due to this I am less stable than you. Don't contradict yourself.


You are less stable because your failed attempts at openmindedness leave you with nothing

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And you have chosen, by your own admission, the first choice.


How does having certainty make me ignorant?

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I choose the second... because I cannot accept anything except truth. My blood and soul won't permit it.


And yet you cling to a feeble minded path that encourages people to accept that there is no truth.


"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

350 Posts / 44M
     :   22yrs   :  
St. Jimmy

What makes you so sure that there is an absolute universal truth? your assertion that there is a universal truth only furthers your proof that your are close-minded.
and remember, an ignorant man says :"I know."
and a wise man says:"I wonder..."


"He who does not question is lost."

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2848 Posts / 94M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

There you go, bullshitting again. You've regressed so quickly it is saddening.

Accept that you have chosen the easy path due to weakness and necessity. That you are unable to face a world of learning. That you come here and jump in threads questioning Christianity to defend your right to be closed minded.

Accept that you cannot speak to me without being intimidated because I assert that I have the strength to accept uncertainty and find answers within it. That I don't cling to a book or religion because it provides the answers. That I choose to walk my own path, and am not scared to do it.

Christians are closed minded, as are you. It is a choice because of necessity, because you don't (yet) have the strength and resolve to reject bullshit and pursue the truth. You need to be led, because you're not yet ready to be a leader.

Which doesn't make you less than me. You are who you are and you should be proud of who you are. But trying to live in denial does make you an idiot.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

1347 Posts / 42M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

So basically your only arguement is calling my arguement bullshit?

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Accept that you have chosen the easy path due to weakness and necessity


You know nothing of my path and therefore cannot say how easy it is.

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Accept that you cannot speak to me without being intimidated because I assert that I have the strength to accept uncertainty and find answers within it


You do not intimidate me in the slightest. And why are you suddenly encouraging me to be closed minded? Isn't blindly accepting your ideas a closed minded action and yet you force it on me how odd.

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That I don't cling to a book or religion because it provides the answers. That I choose to walk my own path, and am not scared to do it.


And what have you accomplished? You say Bhuddism is good and yet you do not practice it. You tell us we must empathize with everyone and yet you do not. Also you have choosen a very popular "open minded" path. Most open minded people will walk their own paths because they think it makes them better than others

My beliefs allow me to empathize with people. I can honestly consider myself equal to all people. But you feel the need to be higher up than someone.

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But trying to live in denial does make you an idiot.


Nicely thrown in so that you can assert you dominion over me.


"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

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2997 Posts / 62M
     :   25yrs   :  
Wyote

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Most open minded people will walk their own paths because they think it makes them better than others


hmm no. open minded people walk their own path because to be open minded is to have your own path, free of other peoples restrictions - which result in close mindedness.


"I am Akba-Atatdia"

1347 Posts / 42M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

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hmm no. open minded people walk their own path because to be open minded is to have your own path, free of other peoples restrictions - which result in close mindedness.


And they feel that walking their own path (being open minded)makes them superior to closed minded people. Only being open minded is a fad and as such is just another way for people to feel better than someone else


"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

1687 Posts / 40M
     :   20yrs   :  
awakendwraith

got a lot to say boys.

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i agree with awakend on both his posts

that means a lot. thank you.
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I'm not certain if intolerance towards stubborn-ness is really something that makes me closed minded

in an inbox disscusion, ethereal and i have come to the conclusion that it is impossible to be completly open minded, and therefor we are all closed minded. this is how i did it:
awakendwraith: :17yrs
based upon pervious arguments, am i a completly, or at least closly, open person?
etherealmee... : : 20yrs
You seem to hold firmly to specific ideas and this makes you closed minded
awakendwrai... : : 17 yrs
which one?
etherealmee... : : 20yrs
Your theory of right and wrong for one
awakendwrai... : : 17yrs
i knew you would say that..so. that theory basicly boils down to being completly openminded. right?
Pretty much. You claim complete ignorance and uncertainty. But even as you hold this idea to be true you become closed minded.
awakendwrai... : : 17yrs
which is my point. it is not possible to be completly open minded, which is why we can never be open minded enough.
that was good. come on give it to me. that was good.
etherealmee... : : 20yrs
Complete open mindedness is ignorance. Why should we want this?
awakendwrai... : : 17yrs
ignorance is bliss.
oh! and the hits just keep coming.
etherealmee... : : 20yrs
To some maybe.

next thing...
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You are attempting to remain as you are and in fact defend your right to do so.

and i comend and respect him for it
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While you try to gain stability and do not achieve it

it seems to me that ethereal.. is being a reaqlist and picking a fight that he can win. he thinks that it is better to win an easy fight than loose them all.
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don't make me qoute you

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but in exchange for that happiness, I'm more right than you
is being right more important than being happy? you people feel the weight of atempting to be right so strngly, that you also feel it would be immposible to be happy at the same time. decius- you condem him for giving up, but you have givin up yourself. that is very very sad.
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You are less stable because your failed attempts at openmindedness leave you with nothing

it is only after we have lost everything that we are free to do anything.
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And yet you cling to a feeble minded

decius- you do sound desperate to be right. as if you could not handle it is you were wrong. i think ethereal could though. and i think that is more of a winning side.
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You do not intimidate me in the slightest

i am intimidated. and i like it. it gives me a challenge
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But trying to live in denial does make you an idiot
tool of the moronic
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And they feel that walking their own path (being open minded)makes them superior
and it fucking does.

Awakend


"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

1347 Posts / 42M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

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And they feel that walking their own path (being open minded)makes them superior
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and it fucking does.


That being the case open minded people are unable to empathize with other people and are therefore closed minded to the concept of empathy.

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it is only after we have lost everything that we are free to do anything.


Why should we want to be free to do anything? I think the ability to limit oneself is a much better attribute. Imagine the alcoholic who seeks to limit himself would you consider that weakness?


"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

1687 Posts / 40M
     :   20yrs   :  
awakendwraith

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That being the case open minded people are unable to empathize with other people and are therefore closed minded to the concept of empathy.


ya know, that sounds real good, but , being empathetic myself, its flaud. and we have already come to the conclusion that everyone is a little opend minded.

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Why should we want to be free to do anything?


life, liberty, and the pursute of happiness. it is the perogitive of the free wanting man.

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I think the ability to limit oneself is a much better attribute.


if limiting your self from your true potintial sounds like the way to go, then i understand why you would think that.

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Imagine the alcoholic who ....


the alcoholic has his alcohol. he can be free with that need. if he has it and doesn't need it, then he is ok.

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consider that weakness?


only if he does.


"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

1347 Posts / 42M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

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ya know, that sounds real good, but , being empathetic myself, its flaud. and we have already come to the conclusion that everyone is a little opend minded.


Everyone is both closed and openminded to an extent. Those who seek to be only openminded cannot then be empathetic because they elevate themselves and in doing so lose connection to those they have decided are less worthy then they.

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life, liberty, and the pursute of happiness. it is the perogitive of the free wanting man.


So because you want to do something you should be able to? So people should be free to be racist and sexist because they want to be?

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if limiting your self from your true potintial sounds like the way to go, then i understand why you would think that.


Do you have something against self control?

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the alcoholic has his alcohol. he can be free with that need. if he has it and doesn't need it, then he is ok.


The whole idea is that an alcoholic needs the alcohol it is an addiction. The alcohol because he can not control it then controls him.

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only if he does.


So if a person is ignorant of their problem then it isn't actually a problem?


"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

1687 Posts / 40M
     :   20yrs   :  
awakendwraith

yes to every qeustion. and to every qeustion, to an extent.


"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

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