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Mocking Muslims and "Virgins in Heaven"

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Decius

Mocking Muslims and "Virgins in Heaven" [+ favourites]

Factual quotes of two different christian popes that encouraged the crusades:

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We confidently reply that those who shall die in battle fighting bravely against pagans or unbelievers shall receive eternal life. Fore the Lord has said through his prophet: "In whatever hour a sinner shall be converted, I will remember his sins no longer." - John VIII


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Now we hope that none of you will be slain, but we wish you to know that the Kingdom of Heaven will be given as a reward to those who shall be killed in this war. - Leo IV


It is also important to remember that not only did Christians slaughter Muslims when they claimed Jerusalem, but they made it illegal for Jews and Muslims to practice their religion.

When Muslims controlled it, however, they permitted all religions to worship and visit Jerusalem.


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eliasan

hmm very interesting. question whats the thing about mocking virgins in heavn' cause your post doesn't seem to inticate what that means.


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Angel Of Death

it means that right now the west is critisizing muslim extremists for the very things they themselves have done


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etherealmeekle

Are you suggesting that one who has experienced a mistake is not allowed to inform others of that mistake. In that case we should encourage more religions to go on mass murdering crusades just so that they can all learn a lesson and get it over with.


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okcitykid

I'm kinda curious about that virgiins in heaven thing myself. I never did finish reading the Koran - but I don't think it was in there, but by the title of your post, I thought maybe you had the answer.

It is odd that there seems to be an appearance that todays muslims are yesterdays christians, and the Christians were yestdays Jews, if we survive another 300 years, there will be a new religion, and we'll all be fighting that one. The evolution of religion, life comes forth from death.

Please -


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Decius

I don't know whether the virgins in heaven thing is true or not, but it is quite possible. The entire concept of relieving guilt by performing the act of God is nice and manipulative.

I guess the purpose of this is to point out that any religions that permit leaders to use the belief system to accomplish political goals are flawed religions, and therefore not the true word of God.

Both Islam and Christianity result in the possibility of the populace being manipulated for political reasons, which makes them dangerous cults.

Budhism, for example, is a perfect example of "pacifism", which is the only true belief system that can never result in the populace being manipulated. This is because the basis of Budhism is empathy, not judgement.

This is why I have yet to encounter any records of slaughters initiated in the name of Budhism.

In other words:

"Judge not, lest ye be judged... Christians."


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etherealmeekle

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Budhism, for example, is a perfect example of "pacifism", which is the only true belief system that can never result in the populace being manipulated This is because the basis of Budhism is empathy, not judgement.


Sharing feelings (empathizing) is a very useful way of manipulation. If you have certain feelings then you will act on them accordingly but if someone gives you their feelings then you will not be yourself. The only way to avoid manipulation is for everyone to be exactly the same.

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This is why I have yet to encounter any records of slaughters initiated in the name of Budhism.


Not yet maybe but several months ago I heard of two different groups of Buddhist monks that got arrested for fighting with eachother


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Decius

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Sharing feelings (empathizing) is a very useful way of manipulation.

You missunderstood. Empathy with everything, not just your leader or other Budhists. You cannot be manipulated into hurting another creature if the central idea behind your beliefs is empathy with other creatures.

To extend the point of this thread... generally speaking, if we judge those Muslims that took their lives to kill Americans, then we are asserting that we are exactly like them, and are capable of doing what they did, which makes us contradictory hypocrites.


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etherealmeekle

Empathy with everything is not possible.

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if we judge those Muslims that took their lives to kill Americans, then we are asserting that we are exactly like them, and are capable of doing what they did,


Are you not capable of believing something enough to die for? As people we are all capable of good or evil. The only real limits we have are physical.


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Decius

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Empathy with everything is not possible.

That's irrelevent. Trying is all you need to be a successful pacifist. Which is pretty much the opposite of Christianity (pagans are going to hell).

Any religion that segregates you from another group or type of person, or even entity, is flawed because it limits empathy, which results in the possibility of attrocity and manipulation.

Both Christians and Muslims are succeptable to this... Christians have fallen for it in worse ways because unfortunately, they have had more opportunity to hurt people.


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etherealmeekle

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Trying is all you need to be a successful pacifist....Any religion that segregates you from another group or type of person, or even entity, is flawed because it limits empathy


So if trying makes a pacifist but segregation is flawed then pacifism is also flawed.


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cturtle

quote:
Both Islam and Christianity result in the possibility of the populace being manipulated for political reasons,
which makes them dangerous cults.
Budhism, for example, is a perfect example of "pacifism", which is the only true belief system that can never result in the populace being manipulated. This is because the basis of Budhism is empathy, not judgement.

The core of christian belief as Jesus taught is the emotion of love is greater [better] than hate.
Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.
Yes we are agreed that man [people] tend to see & believe what they perceive as the truth. Jesus never taught taking human life, the weapons of the Christian soldier [scripturally] are not physical in nature nor the warfare [spiritual] that was intented by it. Loving & sharing with others can overcome hate but accept that you [your belief] will be hated & abused by those who do not comprehend the Truth.


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Angel Of Death

the fact of the matter is, u shouldn't judge a religion by what some of its followers are doing


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cturtle

Shall we write that into stone? Sounds like the Truth to me.


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Decius

Of course you should scrutinize a religion for what its followers do. If a religion permits its followers to twist its words into something negative, then the religion is not clear enough, or to some extent, it encourages this.

The result of the religion is not simply the information it provides... it is the effect it has on weak minded AND strong minded humans. True faith should not only be available to the already righteous... it should be available to the wicked. And if a religion provdes goodness to righteous people and wickedness to wicked people, then it is flawed.

Muslims and Christians can, have been, and will continue to use its "our religion is right" + "they are going to hell" beliefs to kill, slaughter, and provides the wicked a means of political gain.

These facts must be absorbed and acknowledged so that we understand that any nationalistic belief system (Christianity, Islam, Nazism, US Patriotism) will result in the eventual lack of empathy towards those not already members.


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