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2810 Posts / 89M
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Decius

Clear Definition #1 [+ favourites]

Bigot -> Intolerance -> Respect -> Acceptance ->Belief -> Group -> Member -> Association -> Common -> Characteristic

Therefore:

A person that is not respectfully accepting of any member of a group that shares a belief by association due to common characteristics is, by definition in the English language, a bigot.

To state that God will not permit a homosexual to enter heaven is therefore to state that God is a bigot.

Therefore:

Christianity states that God is a bigot.


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etherealmeekle

So? God set up the standard for people to follow. All law makers are bigots because they denounce behaviour which is determined illegal. Besides to be intolerant of intolerance is intolerance, so all people against bigotry are bigots.


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Decius

Therefor Christians equate God to a human lawmaker.


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etherealmeekle

God is the lawmaker, humans simply try to copy Him. We end up equating our lawmakers with God not the otherway around.


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Decius

You attempted to justify His actions by supporting those of human lawmakers. Hence, you attempted to equate God to them, not the other way around.

Christianity states that God is a bigot. That bigotry cannot be justified by using humans as an example if humans attempt to mimick him. You attempted to justify that bigotry by using human copying as an example.

That's like saying he is justified in killing because everyone else is killing. But if everyone else is killing because he is killing, it justifies nothing. They are an extension of him.

Therefore:

Christians state that God and everyone that follows that God is a bigot.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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etherealmeekle

quote:
You attempted to justify His actions by supporting those of human lawmakers. Hence, you attempted to equate God to them, not the other way around.



Fine i will reword that so that you understand me.
"God set up the standard for people to follow. And all other law makers are bigots because they denounce behaviour which is determined illegal. Besides to be intolerant of intolerance is intolerance, so all people against bigotry are bigots."

quote:
hristians state that God and everyone that follows that God is a bigot.


You say that like it is a bad thing to be intolerant of poor behaviour.


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etherealmeekle

You are doing what people have done throughout history. You simply intend to prove that it is a bad thing to have moral standards in order to justify immoral behaviour.


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Decius

I am trying to do nothing.

I have clearly proved, using a reputable english dictionary starting with the word "bigot", that:

According to Christians, God and all those that follow God are bigots.


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etherealmeekle

But what is your point? Christians tend to be more honest about their bigotry. When it comes down to it all people are intolerant so you have proved nothing useful unless you are trying to justify imorality and lawlessness.


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Decius

I think many Christians try to avoid facing the fact that they are bigots, and I want to clearly point out that they are, so there is no confusion.

I think it is integral that Christians are aware that they are bigots so there is no falsehood. Whether you are accepting of it or not, I doubt most Christians would readily accept that they are bigots.

This clears all that up.

All Christians are Bigots.


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etherealmeekle

All people are bigots period.


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etherealmeekle

Do you obey the laws? Because to do so is to discriminate or be intolerant of those who do not. And if you do not obey the laws then you are most likely discriminatory to those who do


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awakendwraith

how is it intolerate to those who do not? and answer my qeustion. because if it is, gods not perfect.


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etherealmeekle

God is perfect and He makes distinction between sinners and righteous people that is discrimination and God is also intolerant of sin. This is because He is perfect that He cannot tolerate such offenses to His perfection.
We discriminate criminals all the time, why do you think we have jails?


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Strongclad

I will agree, Christians are adamantly convicted to what they believe and typically stand their ground in discussions of moral and ethical behavior. Such behavior from I and other Christians stems from our faith and blah, blah, blah... You probably know what I'm getting at.

Anyway, I know from your perspective Decius, that even if I were to give you explanation for my worldview, you might still consider me a bigot. Either way, I'll still try to clarify some things in hope that you may only understand things from a christian viewpoint.

Christians, like myself, don't find our viewpoints to be bigotry so much, even though these viewpoints can be defined in such a way - as according to your definition. If I am right in the way I regurgitate ethereal's comments, my behavior is much the same: I try to follow God and His "commands", and I do this based on what I've found to be the most probable truth about God.

I have to ask though. Is it right to term me a bigot because I believe God, who makes statements saying what is wrongfull for humans to do (I am not the originator of these statements, I only try to follow the opposite of what God says is wrong)? Or is bigotry being used as a label for believers who are intolerant of those who do not follow God's rules for proper behavior?

As you predicted, I wouldn't classify myself as a bigot under either one of these categories, but that's because I don't believe I perceive or think about people in the way you might assume.

You see, I have to look at people the same way that I would look at myself. It's a directive from the whole "plank in the eye" verse in the Bible. According to God's rules on behavior - whether you want to call these ethics or morals - I don't think anyone can walk-the-walk/talk-the-talk when it comes to God's standards. Neither I or anyone is perfect in relation to God.

And with this outlook comes another truth claim that I think most non-christians either don't know or have a misconception about. It is a biblical theme that all immorality or unethical behavior (sin according to God's standard) is detestable to God. To clarify, it is the theme that all people are sinful and all their detestable behavior is the same. Sexual immorality, impurity (homosexuality falls under the category of these first two), hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, envy, drunkenness, orgies, murder. All are sin and considered by God to be wrong.

So to me, these christian claims/themses brings reason for a defense. I am no more and no less a sinner in God's eyes than anyone else, not even a person who is a non-christian. Not even someone who sins with homosexual actions, murder, or other ungodly behavior (for there are christians who even do these things) because God doesn't elevate certain actions as more sinful than the next like we humans do.

I cannot be intolerant of a non-christian's actions because I'm under the biblical understanding that changing a non-christians's actions is not God's plan for us. Encouraging belief and trust in Him is. That's not to say that I don't care about a non-christian's sinful nature though. I still have hope that people would try to attain their moral best but I can't tell them to change their lifestyle when it's their prerogative. This also stems from the biblical teaching of free will.

Why would I want to tell a homosexual non-christian that he is wrong when he doesn't even believe or trust in my god? I don't feel the right to accuse him or anyone with any particular sin or wrongdoing but only with the truth of God's regard to sin in-general. Sadly, this isn't what most christians do or even attempt because it's not in their mindset. I'm sorry that you've had to come into contact with this. Humans are too hasty to point and accuse.

So in defense of the way of Christ, judgement is not to be left up to christian believers. Which means that tolerance and understanding of others (non-christians) is supposed to be a part of our christian walk. We ourselves are under judgement. This means that bigotry should not be an issue.

Sorry this is so wordy.


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