Infinite universes from Matter and Anti-Matter

I believe linear time is merely a "subjective" category of thought and perception and not an objective physical property of the external world, and infinity, I think, is merely a symptom of the human mind's inability to experience the world as it truly is with respect to time, where everything happens at once, called, in Hindu philosophy, the Eternal Now. One only has to examine the characteristics of our experience of time to realize that the past and future exist "now" beyond our illusory experience of the present which is nothing more than an extremely minute and insignificant "point" or "slit" in some incomprehensible state of things where everything happens at once. The present may be thought of as a “cross-section” of time, a “cross-section of reality that exists simultaneously in the past, present and future. The so-called present does not exist in any real sense of the word because it cannot be captured or measured as any specific moment in time or any specific amount of time. And infinity may represent a kind of "curve of thought" appearing at the two opposite "ends" of time, the infinite past and the infinite future, and, thus, mark out the limitations of the human mind as the external world seems to extend beyond our comprehension, stretching our thought to dissolution. The same can be said for three-dimensional space which is marked by infinity in two opposite directions as well, the infinitely large and the infinitely small. Just as all things happen at once, it may be said that all things are one and three-dimensional space may be, similarly, nothing more than a category of thought and perception and not a physical property of the external world. That being said, it seems to me that each of us may learn to perceive the external world as it truly is by simply understanding the nature of experience of time and our perception of space and determining the possible nature of a world approaching a state of timeless unity. In this sense, it may be asserted that the external world, including everything in the entire universe, may be purely mental in substance, form and function, and the universe may, in fact, exist “within” us, not outside us, and the answers to all that we strive to learn about the universe already exists potentially within us. No need for theories, just self-knowledge and understanding—at least, I’d like to believe so—and that’s my crazy theory.

"Each conscious mind is alone in the universe!"

That's a really cool theory, you sound pretty convincing. Actually you sound like you see the the universe and all its dimensions including time as being within us all. Interesting!

""Each child holds the world in an open hand to mould it into any shape they choose.""

Somewhat Similar Infinite Universe Theory to the Original One Written-

Lets say that outside of any possible universe there is an infinite amount of energy that exists. Time and space are non-existant, and there is just an infinite amount of pure energy. This infinite amount energy would cause an infinite number of big bangs, and in other words there would be an infinite number of universes. Now in a big bang energy expands in the form of particles of matter, and throughout the entire life span of a universe there is a constant amount of energy in it, therefore the universe likely has a maximum potential of expansion. Once it reaches its potential it will no longer expand and gravity will probably cause the universe to implode, and all of the matter in the universe should return back to its original state of pure energy.

One thing that scientists haven’t really been able to prove is the reason why all the energy was concentrated together, which is why a big bang would happen in the first place. What if there was some part of the chemistry of the way life works that is not made up of matter or anything that we can see in our universe. Something that gives an organism its basic animal instincts and causes it to act the way that specific organism should, because it is kind of illogical that random particles of matter bonded together in specific strands of DNA somehow just simply have survival instincts. Evolution makes perfect sence for giving an organism physical material survival advantages, but I believe an organisms instictive knowledge of how to survive as that organism has to come from somewhere. Well anyways the rest of my theory is completely based on this so i hope its somewhat logical, and really all i'm trying to do is turn what most people would explain as the soul into a scientific entity. For the purpose of arguments sake I’m going to call this the "concept" of an organism. Again this is all based on the idea that existance is an infinite amount of pure energy and I hypothisize that infinite "concepts" would also exist. So basically what i'm saying is that there are two parts to existance. The first being the infinite matterlessness of soly "concepts" and pure energy, and the second is a product of the two parts of the first, causing infinite big bangs ie. infinite universes of matter. (I'll fully explain second would work in the next paragraph.) So finally theres matter and not matter. (When i say not matter i don't mean antimatter, and I am actually placing antimatter in the realm of matter, because as you know it is part of the formation of a universe.)

During a big bang energy is converted into specific elements because of extreme heat and everything else that goes on. My theory is that the concepts would be attracted to the specific pure energy that converts into the specific elements that create the exact suitable environment for the organism that the concept is of. Numerous concepts would be attracted to the same specific pure energy causing the energy to become highly concentrated, and this would be the currently unexplainable reason for why a big bang would happen in the first place. Because DNA is just cells with specific chemical bonds the same attraction that would have caused the concepts to be attracted to the specific types of pure energy would cause the concepts to be attracted to the specific DNA of their organism. The underlying attraction of the concept would likely be to the DNA of its conceptualized organism, however the elements that make up an organism also make up its environment, and therefore if the concept were attracted to its conceptualized organisms DNA, it would in turn be attracting the pure energy that would form elements necessary for the of life its conceptualized organism. In this theory the concepts would be essential to the big bang happening, however life in general or the specific organism that the concept is of wouldn’t necessarily have to develop in every universe because if there was infinite pure energy time would not really exist until the concept joined its organism, so it would not matter if a concept was part of a universe that did not provide it life, because eventually by mathematical probability a suitable environment for life would occur, and this whole cycle would just keep happening with no time frame whatsoever.

This theory could also allow for the existance of pure energy that forms into elements that don’t exist in our universe, and concepts that we could never imagine that are attracted to and made up of this different elements. If existence of pure energy was infinite, and this theory were true than anything we could possibly think of would and does exist, because there would be an infinite amount of elements that could come from the infinite amount of pure energy, and therefore anything we could concieve plus infinite elements we couldn't concieve would exist. There could be a being composed of elements that could be almost weightless and it could be able to float around wherever it wanted to go. Anything we could imagine and more could possibly exist.

I know this theory is pretty ridiculous, and could never come close to being proven in the slightest, but I just thought that I'd try to explain the unexplainable by using something other than God, and the fact that there isn't scientific evidence against this being possible definitely says something about how crazy existance could actually be.

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Hmm Think about this. What if this reality, what if what we seem to be true=true as in... Laws of gravity came to be is actually a faultation of a greater time and space. A fluxuation of god's mistake? All mighty but everyone makes faulty errors. EVEN lets just say there was none.... (The other side of perspective) Could this universe came to be and all the other universes made was from 2000000000000000000000^20000 years ago when an enity pressed a key equivelant to a piano key.... ? Could this universe in general be caused just by a simple tiny subatomic fluxuation? Of course anything is possible according to the human mind and the real law of the universe : Infinite

Only reason why we say it's not possible because of our punitive materialistic minds which sets limitations so we would not go nuts or worry ourselves to death of this fear of the unknown. What we do is pick one perspective (science) and live by it as if it's the LAW OF GOD. While in reality 1+4^44 could equal earth and two humans.

"Thy Lovest Soul"

The trick to me is to seperate every-thing from all.

As regards universes..let me just show how the word is creatred to me and hopefully give some logic here.

universe is two words joined

uni

and

verse.

Just like a book has verses, it also has sentences, paragraphs, verses, and chapters, in that order.

To me, all spirituality, is like reading from this one verse, universe, and then speculating on the entire book of all. We must first, really undersatnd our verse first, then each chapter and so on. Spirituality, brought under the texts as religion, is like a projection of imagination into the unkown.

So for this reason philip, 1+4^44 equal earth and two humans but it doesn't with almost certainty. Feel free to dwell on this and if you come up with a reasonable answer I'll listen. As for time, well that is understandable I think because it is within our verse of experience, and therefore, at least we have a base.

""No words""

This is why people can not truely move fowards. Logic.... Science.. Logic tells you that UNI-verse means one univers, but yet agian.... as I said before 1= actually equals two.... and actually equals more than one. Anything exist.... Well think about it... What is science and logic?.. It's the imagination. What is the imagination??? Reality to most.... You are indeed contradicting yourself when you say i do not make logical sense. For the word logic is very vague.

"Thy Lovest Soul"

Long thread -- long theory?
They say that electro-magnetic energy 9radition exist beyond our means to measure? So how do they know that it continues to exist beyond our own infiniminticle particles of existence? The Basic nature of things that anti-matter could exist therefore we must disprove it's existence?

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Now that we have gotten that out of the way. The theory I have goes something like this. In a beginning (not THE) the universe was filled with void and pure energy (void being vacume). Since energy tends not to do nothing it did something.

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*note atomic theory extends that separation exist between levels in the Periodic Table => inner energy shells & the outer bands.

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"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

Healing energy emitted from my hand, now explain that matter

"Thy Lovest Soul"

Philip, you can argue anything into absurdity. I have thosuands of thoughts each day; and most of them are rubbish. I could argue that my imagination projects into my reality, but the whole reason we stopped killing witches on the superstition they were evil was because of scientific reason and logic therewith.

Many religious people say imagination is a bad thing. Well if you believe in it, and never test it; yes it is. But imagination that is then set for something to be tested or verified sets the wise from the foolish in this matter. But imagination is the most important thing we have for it creates new things; the challenge, however, is to determine fact from fiction.


For a simple example, I could say the law is pointless, laugh and never regard it. That is foolish. Because then you emit knowledge disregard knowledge perhaps on a belief or incling, but more importantly you miss something along the way. Here's the logic; read the lines and then between the lines.

""No words""

Nothing is rubbish. Everything and everything that comes from our minds is real. Hence healing, reiki, astral projection, chi kung, phycoanaylitical imagery therapy, scientology, mind washing, mind wiping, examples from Jesus and Moses.... Science is imagination once people accept then we can move on as a whole.

"Thy Lovest Soul"

Philip,

I have been to yoga classes. during this time I began to feel more than human; i.e. a kind of aura of peace and power. I put this down to the environment I was in and the belief that this was real. I have also been in the countryside for some time on my own. And I began to feel a oneness with the mountains and the rocks and I could almost feel myself moving sometimes without effort.


I have dwelt on the possibility of other things for somerime. And there may be truth in some of these. But to sugest that this is really new, spiritual stuff, of extra dimensions, I think is really conditioned by the environemnt your in. Hence, voodoo is popular in Africa and healing is popular in evangelical circles, as witchcraft was popular in the dark ages.

But I really don't think that everything and anything that comes out of the mind is real. for the simple reasons that if I believe you are a witch and need to be killed and you believe you are a healer of good nature and need to live; or better still if you believe I am a carrot and I believe I am a tree; clearly both cannot be right. Both can be wrong; but both cannot be right fully. This is why law developed. Added to this are the two basic instincts I hbad as a kid; 1 to survive and 2 to have fun. And seeing this is the most unaffected part of my life; I'm sticking by those vices.

""No words""

I can understand Philip's belief that everything conceived of the mind is real. As a person who loves to read and write fantasy and science fiction, you can believe that anything you can concieve of can become real, when you consider the fantastic innovative things that have come out of inventers', scientists' and great writers' imaginations, however I feel there is a very fine line between genius and madness.
Look Philip I was 15 once, and I think my imagination was as wonderful as yours, I got sucked into everything, spiritualism, UFOs, OBEs , ghosts, everything, and to a certain extent I still am. But I do think you have to take a large step back and try and take off the rose tinted glasses once in a while and see what you are experiencing from all angles, looking at all the evidence. Otherwise it is hard to tell what is real and what is not. And then its easy to get a bit lost and not be able to see the wood for the trees!

""Each child holds the world in an open hand to mould it into any shape they choose.""

Everything and everything that will be and has been is coexistant with reality. All knowledge is here and always been here, it's the descovery part that makes it new. The universe had always been here, it was just new to us because of the descovery. Everything with the universe exist, it's when you accept and descover it.

One see's diamonds but does not realize it's worth over blood, until he descovers money

"Thy Lovest Soul"

lol, this might be so philip, but you have to 'explore' history to find out why. When, for instance, was money invented? Who invented it? Where was it invented? Surely we must ask these before asking why?

You may note the difference, also, between an invention and a discovery.

""No words""

Furie,
Nice - "The universe outside the universe." OK let me start by giving you a little advice: It is not easy to take you seriously when you have so many typos. Proof read before you post. (There are some of us out here who are really looking for good stuff so make it good)
Next by a book called "The Theory of Everything" by Stephan Hawkins. Next look up string theory, chaotic theory, then quantum then the special and general theories of relativity, then the Lorentz uncertainty principle, then the law of thermodynamics then, well yes, there is one more Genesis 1.
Read the book "Genesis and the Big Bang" the book "Decoding the Universe" by Charles Seife, more by Mr. Seife, "Zero," "Alpha & Omega;" a couple more: The Biography of Albert Einstein by Walter Isaacson. Here is a good one for you E=MC^2, or here what is this x^2+y^2=1, or hey, this is a good one: Zeno's Paradox, PI, PHI...
I could keep going but you see "the truth" is already out there you don't have to "try to make it up" theorizing and all. Another one for you: LHC - look it up. Or GRB or heck lets just go for a really crazy one: The Mayan long count calender ending in 2012 (The end of the Universe). Hey what about Al Gore and his Theory (End of the Universe?). Soon we all will have Theories. Well if you would like to know what my "theory" is... well, you will have to ask nice because I haven't provean it yet. It has to do with bananas and a hair dryer...
Ok I got a little off the subject. As you can see though we can come up with our "own" not-so original thoughts but I hate to break it to you. As crazy as you think your "theory" is... its not. It is already out there, and yes in main stream science.
I have one serious question for you though: If you think there is a Universe of Universes, then wound't or couldn't there be a Cosmos of Universal Universes? See how this works there is an infinite infinities. However, no there is not - really. They are all right here in front of us. You just are not in the right time phase to see them. There is no "extra stuff" outside the Universe. That is one of those great things science will never really be able to solve. Why because just after the "big bang," as you refer to, there are no physical properties. At least not any that we can be certain of (read the books listed above). Then on to question two: If Scientists can only find 25% of all the mater in the Universe and the "scientists" now think there is such stuff as "dark mater" then where is it. My theory: Take the banana and eat it ,because you need the potassium to continue thinking long through the night on this one, then when you get up in the morning, after having fell asleep on the computer (I'm sure drooling on the keyboard), forgotten to set the alarm clock, and you run through the bathroom trying to get ready for work. You can dry those pesky protein strands coming from your (obviously waisted) gray matter receptacle just in time to make it to your cubical for another day of BS slave-labor, at some stupid and useless job... OK, well, not really but if you have made it this far through my BS then I apologize. But really, you need to do your homework and stop using 1960's thoughts when you can be using 2006 thoughts like the human genome project stuff... Have fun with REAL science it is out there and yes very cool. Oh, one last thought, be thankful that you are not living in Copernican times you would be hanged you blasphemer! Only GOD knows the real nature of the Universal Universalized Cosmic Cosmo-sis Univertilitstictastical Univerberatingly Unicromitocrimicrolacomictroctican Thingy. COSMIC Wahoooo COSMIC Yeah!

""yes""