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276 Posts / 54M
     :   22yrs   :  
Zato

quote:
1). Believe in and accept God,
2). Accept His son Jesus Christ as our Savior who died for our sins, and
3). Love each other.



No repentance huh?
Interesting.

Either way this is about missinterpretation.
If it "can" be missinterpretted then It cannot be the word of God.

It would be a foolish act for God to write his holy words down in such fallible human languages. *shakes head*
How more obvious can this get?


"Anything is Possible when you think illogically."

2212 Posts / 82M
     :   50yrs   :  
okcitykid

Jesus talks about repentance extensively in the Gospel of Luke but not in the other gospels, never could fully understand that.

You have to realize though that during the terrible things Decius speaks of, people didn't have bibles. They didn't even have access to the scriptures. Only priests were allowed to read the scriptures. If a common person was caught reading the scriptures, it was to the dungen for them. Some of these people who were being tortured were not being tortured because they didn't believe in Jesus, but because they had a different idea about Jesus.

Freedom is very important - you take away freedom and you take away truth.

This may be about how Christianity could be so cruel, but it is also about how only the elite were educated and comeners were kept in the dark. If you weren't the elite, you were just like dogs and should be thankful for the few crumbs the elite might spare.


"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

1893 Posts / 83M
     :   58yrs   :  
cturtle

quote:
Either way this is about missinterpretation.
If it "can" be missinterpretted then It cannot be the word of God.
that statement sounds like a misinterpetation?
Why would you say this thing?
It is stated that we (mankind) can not understand the fullness of GOD => man is the one lacking the ability to understand [comprehend], not GOD nor His Word?


"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

210 Posts / 57M
     :   34yrs   :  
PeteSmith

quote:
If it "can" be missinterpretted then It cannot be the word of God.

that is a wrong assumption.

We have been given a free will to either accept God or reject Him. If he revealed himself to us in such a way that there was no realistic possibility but to accept him and believe him then we really dont have free will.

It is the same with the Bible. We can either accept it or reject it. If it were presented to us in any other way, we would be left with no realistic option but to believe it, thus our free will is violated.



""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

1893 Posts / 83M
     :   58yrs   :  
cturtle

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"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
– Luke 19.27 *
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Note these words are in red letter edition as being stated by Jesus. Also note that they refer to judgement => the coming judgement as related to the afterlife => spiritual being, not to be confused with the physical.


"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

276 Posts / 54M
     :   22yrs   :  
Zato

quote:
It is stated that we (mankind) can not understand the fullness of GOD => man is the one lacking the ability to understand [comprehend], not GOD nor His Word?


I really don't feel like getting into the topic of whether God is logical or illogical, which seems where this could go.

I just simply don't think that a "smart" God would present his word in such pathetic human languages. Makes no sense.
This leads to missinterpretations and wrong behavior.
One person may read it and think something completely different of what it was meant for. If Gods word is perfect then we should be able to understand it perfectly.
Plus it is hardly perfect. Many MANY contradictions which I refuse to even try to post here. If you think I am bullshitting just go to Google and type in "Bible Contradictions." I promise you'll get alot of shit. lol






quote:
that is a wrong assumption.

We have been given a free will to either accept God or reject Him. If he revealed himself to us in such a way that there was no realistic possibility but to accept him and believe him then we really dont have free will.

It is the same with the Bible. We can either accept it or reject it. If it were presented to us in any other way, we would be left with no realistic option but to believe it, thus our free will is violated.


Makes no sense.
If God gave you a piece of paper with his "holy perfect words" on it and told you to read it and you by chance thought it meant go kill people how is that your fault?
Its not! Its Gods fault for presenting a terrible piece of information. How are you supposed to be able to devote your life to a perfect piece of work if you can't understand it perfectly.
1. He presents it in VERY fallible languages which is extremely unreliable. Once again fails to be perfect.
2. If God presented his Holy words in a way that we could perfectly understand, takes away our free will how?
It doesn't, it simply makes us able to appreciate him for being able to communicate to us clearly.
I once heard this saying: "You never really understand something fully until you can teach it."
Which fits this situation quite well.

If I told you the world that fire burns you perfectly and clearly.
Would some people still touch fire?
Of course some would. People are stupid.
This perfectly displays that by no means takes away anyones freewill to choose not to touch the fire.

And if your still thinking about faith, if God gave you his words that were understood perfectly by all it still wouldn't prove whether he exist or not. Its still just words. And that doesn't prove God in anyway.

If he truly was God he would find a "way" to communicate "Perfectly" with no missinterpretations and still require people to have faith.

He's God, he can do anything.
Much luv. Lata babes.


"Anything is Possible when you think illogically."

2212 Posts / 82M
     :   50yrs   :  
okcitykid

Are you speaking from logic or emotion.

If God was smart he would send a bolt of lightening to the white house, after he gets their attention, instruct them to dismantal all nuclear weapons.

As someone explained to me elsewhere in this forum, maybe we just don't know what God is. We think God is supposed to be a certain way and God just isn't.


"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

2212 Posts / 82M
     :   50yrs   :  
okcitykid

besides, its my opinion that scripture is screwed and the true church has already been taken - and I don't know what that means for us.


"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

276 Posts / 54M
     :   22yrs   :  
Zato

quote:
Are you speaking from logic or emotion.

If God was smart he would send a bolt of lightening to the white house, after he gets their attention, instruct them to dismantal all nuclear weapons.

As someone explained to me elsewhere in this forum, maybe we just don't know what God is. We think God is supposed to be a certain way and God just isn't.


I am speaking from logic and emotion.

And yeah.. I agree that maybe we just don't know.
My honest opinion is that no one has any idea what happens after death. I think it is something that no one can fathom and is completely beyond anything humans can imagine.
We all just dream. Because we have to. Where would life be with no hope? So people must believe in something and that happens to be God for most of them. What ever floats your boat I guess.

Its all good.

Much Luv.


"Anything is Possible when you think illogically."
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2212 Posts / 82M
     :   50yrs   :  
okcitykid

well said


"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

210 Posts / 57M
     :   34yrs   :  
PeteSmith

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If God presented his Holy words in a way that we could perfectly understand, takes away our free will how?


What does it take to be free to choose?

1. We have to have realistic options to choose from
2. We have to be free from any interference that prevents us from making the choice.

So if God presented himself in the bible in such a way that we could only interpret it in the way it was intended you would be pretty stupid to choose not to follow it. You could choose to be stupid but it isnt a realistic option is it.


""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

276 Posts / 54M
     :   22yrs   :  
Zato

Once again,

quote:
If I told you the world that fire burns you perfectly and clearly.
Would some people still touch fire?
Of course some would. People are stupid.
This perfectly displays that by no means takes away anyones freewill to choose not to touch the fire.

And if your still thinking about faith, if God gave you his words that were understood perfectly by all it still wouldn't prove whether he exist or not. Its still just words. And that doesn't prove God in anyway.

If he truly was God he would find a "way" to communicate "Perfectly" with no missinterpretations and still require people to have faith.

He's God, he can do anything.


lol.. he is god he can make it work.. trust me


"Anything is Possible when you think illogically."

210 Posts / 57M
     :   34yrs   :  
PeteSmith

Sorry, I dont think you grasp what it means to be free!

You see, if God presented the gospel in such a way that it couldn't be misinterpreted then if you chose to reject it you would be like the stupid person who chooses to stick is naked hand in the fire even though he knows he is going to get burned. To most reasonable people the choice is clear! Would you agree!

How we choose to interpret the Bible doesnt make it any less true.


""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

276 Posts / 54M
     :   22yrs   :  
Zato

If the bible was completely understandable, it doesn't imply that we must choose it!

It doesn't prove god in anyway.
It would not leave only one "realistic" option.
It would still all be the same, just less irresponsible on gods part.


"Anything is Possible when you think illogically."

2212 Posts / 82M
     :   50yrs   :  
okcitykid

If I took the bible literally I would have to cut my hand off. It is better to loose a hand and still go to heaven then keep your hand and go to hell.

When I was 13 I cried like a baby because I just couldn't cut my hand off and the only reason I can talk about it now is because it was a long time ago, but still it was an embarrassing moment of my life.

In some places the bible is wrong - we can only ask the heart to know the truth.

And 13 year old children should not be allowed to read the bible after being told its the word of God.




"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

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