Christian Crimes against Humanity

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Religion is faith, it's not science

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teachings of Jesus, whatever they were, were probably identical to Buddha

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Is NOT the truth because the truth would not be vague enough to lead to murder in the name of the truth.

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""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

God would not speak to humans in a manner that would lead to miss-interpretations.

By definition, the purety of "truth" from God would not only communicate "truth", but be communicated in a manner that only God would be able to, in a manner that humans would not be able to miss-interpret.

You are not god, hence, any information coming from you has no expectations placed on it. if I miss-interpret it it is my fault and your fault.

however if God communicates it to me and I am known entirely by God, he/she would communicate it in a way I would not be able to miss-interpret.

hence, if it can be miss-interpreted, it is not the true word of God.

Does that mean that every bit of information on the planet is not the word of god? Pretty much. however there are certain truths that cannot be miss-interpreted, because they use the universal language of logic, which can never, ever be miss-interpreted.

hence, the only true word of God would be information and rules that can be proven using statistical logic, which will then be (by definition) never miss-interpreted.

Hence, to believe in the bible as the word of God is to believe in a God that could knowlingly miss-lead people into doing horrifying things.

And again, this isn't about whether man has a choice about it or not. God testing humans is VERY different than the TRUTH of existance. The truth of existance superceds any tests, hence, if you say that the point of life is to be tested by God, that may or may not be true. But escaping that, there must be an undeniable truth that supercedes any tests. If this is not provided by the bible, or is provided in a way that can be miss-interpreted, then it is most definitely not the word of God.

And this is factual since many people have miss-interpreted its EXACT words into leading them to doing horrifying things.

Further, if the manuscripts are DIAMETRICALLY opposed to buddha, then Jesus was an evil bigot. I would lean moreso towards believing that the manuscripts are not factual of the words an enlightened individual would say.

"A good man is identical to the corrupt man, save for the contradictions in his words and actions."

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God would not speak to humans in a manner that would lead to miss-interpretations.

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""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

You're missing my point...

The TRUTH is that your hand WILL get burned. That is definite and that is the truth.

Your choice does not revolve around whether that is true or not, but how you react to that truth.

This is the essence of my point. God's method of communication with you should be as undeniable as getting your hand burned... as undeniable and clearly interpreted as pain. That does not remove free will in any way. The truth of existance and the universe being presented to you as a human does not remove your ability to choose.

Hell, anyone who is a devoted Christian already thinks he or she knows the truth... does that mean they are now mindless lackeys? No, they still have choice... they have the choice of determining how to react to that truth.

However, the fact of the matter is that we do not know the ultimate truth. That will truly only be known after we die. So until that time (factually) all we can do is make statistically probable assumptions.

This all goes back to my original post... is it statistically probable that the true word of God (or something even close to it) would result in miss-leading thousands of people to murder and torture thousands of others?

Not likely. Why? Because in both Islam and Christianity, the reasons people were murdered or massacred was for the expansion or suppression of criticism of the religion. And in the bible there are many passages that indirectly entice people to understand that mainly evil people do not subscribe to their rules, because those people are going to hell.

It is statistically improbable that the real God would communicate, in any way, such teachings to humans for these teachings have a grand propensity for mss-understanding or amplification. I don't even believe it is miss-understanding, i believe it is literal belief. The old testament speaks of diss-believers, adulterers and homosexuals to be "put to death", or "deserve death".

How can one really blame people for following such words? God's word? God wouldn't make a mistake.

Which means the bible is NOT the word of God. God does not make mistakes, nor would he permit the truth to be used to make mistakes. He knows every one of us inside and out, and will continue to know us and has always known us... then how could he miss-communicate the truth to us? Why would his words obviously lead to unjust action?

It wouldn't. A belief in the bible is a belief in a flawed God.

A "flawed god" is a paradoxical statement.

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The Bible as the Word of God is a paradoxical statement.

"A good man is identical to the corrupt man, save for the contradictions in his words and actions."

Sorry but you have misunderstood what free will means. If God gives us the Truth in such a way that it is undeniable then he has not given us a realistic choice has he!

People are free to interpret the Bible any how they please but that does not make it untrue does it?

""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

Your hand being burnt by heat is in essence a truth that God has given you. You cannot argue it, it cannot be miss-interpreted.

Does that mean you have no free will?

There are a million different undeniable truths similar to burning your hand that lead to a universal truth that is also undeniable.

Then why choose to believe in a system of beliefs whos base isn't these undeniable truths, but rather completely illogical and contradictory "truths"?

God gives us free will to discover the "truth" by using UNDENIABLE sources that exist everywhere around us. He communicates to us through those undeniable realities. And in those "words" there is no missunderstanding or vagueness. It is your choice to observe these communications or to not observe them. And it is your choice to hear those words logically, and parse them logically, or based on a bias.

The only universal method of communication is mathematical logic. It is the only undeniable "force" in existance, and therefore, the truest link to God that we have since it is the only real absolute. Hence everything must be taken into account using statistical logic.

Do you understand my point? If the goal of life is to discover the truth, then you, as a human, have the choices to determine how and to what degree you succeed at this before you die. Since we will never know the truth undeniably but still have undeniable truths in our world that can help us get closer to an answer, that undeniably leads to the logical conclusion that the pursuit of truth is to be a lifelong quest.

The human view of what the truth is will ALWAYS be in flux, yet accurate conclusions can be drawn at any given time given past information and observation. THIS is the only method of existance that does not lead to miss-understanding or biased understanding. Any moment one claims to know the truth difinitively is a moment they are lying to themselves.

If they can lie to themselves, they can lie to themselves in a variety of other ways which can lead to miss-interpretation and selfish interpretation.

Hence not using the bible as a relative guide and believing it to be the word of God, by definition, teaches one to lie to himself, which teaches that person the skill ot self-dilusion.

Which leads to many acts (as explained in the first post) that can be viewed as the work of God.

"A good man is identical to the corrupt man, save for the contradictions in his words and actions."

Looking through this thread - that is really some evil wicked stuff, done during the dark ages. Clearly you can see why they are called dark ages.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

I had only glanced through the long timescale in the first post. I started reading them more carefully after your post.

Reading about the eyewitness descriptions of what Jerusalem looked like after it was taken in the first crusade is... spectacular. Like a wonderful story of horror.

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"there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes", and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude."

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"It was impossible to look upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them. Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about ten thousand infidels perished."

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"A good man is identical to the corrupt man, save for the contradictions in his words and actions."

Finally I read through all of your research - It took awhile.

THIS IS WHAT I TRIED TO POST EARLIER:

I found a letter describing a scripture that no longer exists but had gotten lost and describes church practices that are completely foreign, then I remember visiting The Roman Catacombs of Rome in the Navy and the historian who guided the tour explained how Caesar who had persecuted the Christians had become a Christian himself to be the beginning of the Roman Catholic Church and he being its first pope, who really didn't change any at all, but went from killing Christians to killing non believers, and I put it together. Note: The Roman Catholic Church owns control of the Catacombs and most of it is closed to the public.

Jesus is supposed to come and take his church and (I believe) one day that happened. No Christians could be found, this being reported to Caesar, possibly Jesus came back and took them as was prophesied. So Caesar in his sick mind decides that he will not be condemned either by the people or God and created and became the first Pope of the new Roman Catholic Church, and to appease God will force all non believers to become believers or kill them. This was the beginning of the dark ages, when only a select few are allowed to read or write and have access to ancient writings, were scriptures themselves can be rewritten. Note: Other parts of the world people had disappeared, for instance the Anasazi Indians.

Strangely enough, The Roman Catholic Church is the oldest Christian Church, yet it cannot be traced back to Christ even though the church claims that Peter was its first pope. Protestants will claim that they existed before the Roman Catholic church, but they can't trace themselves all the way back to Christ. They claim this is because of the dark ages when a lot of historical documents were destroyed, but what excuse does the Catholic Church have who had control of these writings?

But when I came across this description of a church I had not heard of before - I knew they are wrong, the true church is gone.

Look for a book called "The Other Bible" In it you will find a letter describing the "Secret Gospel of Mark"

you will read, "lead the hearers into the innermost sanctuary of the truth hidden by seven veils" Ask any Christian Catholic or Protestant what this is and they won't be able to tell you what the truth is hidden behind seven veils. Something this important, and I've not heard a single sermon ever preached on it, and I have attended and belonged to many churches. I am even a member of the Catholic Church, Morman Church and Reorganized Church. So what happened to this church?

If you own a web site - I would take your research and put in Chronological order and publish it.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

Decius I strongerly agree with you on everything you said.

Very interesting post okcitykid.
Ever seen the Movie Stigmata?
It reminds me of you post.
Very good movie.

"Anything is Possible when you think illogically."

Yes I did see the movie and supposidly the Catholic does have ownership of scripture they won't let loose of, but promise to when it is properly translated.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

Yeh I'm sure they will..............................

"Anything is Possible when you think illogically."

I had start to make this post earlier in another thread but lost it when I submitted it so this may be a better placee to post it?
They used (abused) Christianity as a Robe of Righteouusness to cloak their own way (waywardness). The Roman Chatholic Church was a group (church) of the Roman Empire, whose mind set had been toward an authoritarian of the state (ie the roman empire). the position of being the only authority of relious doctrine (Christian => NT) directly contradicts the the Great Commission given by Jesus from the start so they were in error in the Way.
[They did not seek GOD's righteousness as given by Christ but sought their own righteousness in the name of Christ]

"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

Okay, this may be against the new rules of the site (not really clear on all of them yet) but it seems to fit this thread.
I can't site the specific passage as of this post (i'll find it again soon) but Jesus supercedes the Old Testament and His message is not easily misinterpreted as He tells us straight out that in order to enter Heaven we must:

1). Believe in and accept God,
2). Accept His son Jesus Christ as our Savior who died for our sins, and
3). Love each other.

These three commandments encompass everything the Bible tells us about God and Heaven, and all other arguments about what needs to be done to enter Heaven are irrelevant. this is the law as Christ and thus God have set, and i'll post the actual passage when i find it again.

"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you."

I don't know where Jesus said that, but it sounds good to me.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."