jesus finishing our sins

(ok see his name now itr was in respnse to pete smith)

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ok here just one is ok? http://home1.gte.net/deleyd/religion/appendixd.html

this is NOT by far the best link but was first one i found on google.. i must have posted 50 links before to artciles from scholalry historians christain and non (maybe thats why my post got deleted)

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If you have found some 'Christians' who do not believe in the God that is dipicted in the Bible then I am afraid to say that it would not be very accurate to call them Christians.

Christians are people who believe that Jesus is the son of God (part of the Trinity) and that He paid the price for our sins on the cross. Anyone who does not believe this is not a Christian.

A Christian by definition is one who follows Christ.

Sorry to be quite blunt but it is the truth!

""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

ok your right, im not going to go into a whole 'truth' debate, but what i meant then was people who WERE WERE WERE christians (but id still catagorize them as christians by family trend.. liek i am a christian but i can be skeptical of christ as the son of god etc etc.. so likewise you wouldnt say me being christian is true but it is true to the degree of being handed s down to me that if im any religion its that one casue of family history (not that they went to chruch or belived in christ as son of god wither.. maybe some of them especailly far down the line where i dont know)

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Let me state what I said before:
"Christians are people who believe that Jesus is the son of God (part of the Trinity) and that He paid the price for our sins on the cross. Anyone who does not believe this is not a Christian. "

This is the essential truth of the gospel. Christianity does not automatically get "passed" down through family lines. It is each persons individual response to the person of Jesus for the love He demonstrated on the cross. Being a Christian does not come from being good, it comes only by grace when we believe the above truth.

Nietzsche's parents where pastors of a church. Does this automatically make him a Christian?

Again sorry to be blunt, but this is the essential message of the Bible.

""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

its ok, i felt i was the one acting like a dick

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regarding your previous post paptape, yes, christianity may have been the most popular religion then, but so was Jewisisim when it gained it's powere, and so was Islam.

nyway, so if I kill 50 innocent people, but beleive in Jesus, the n I'll be pardoned?

"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"

only if you are truly sorry for your sins and wish to be forgiven. the reason that Jesus was able to absolve us of our sins is because He was not only man, but the son of God, as well. And because He was the son of God He was able to atone for the sins of everyone. "For God so loved the world that He sent His one and only son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. He wants us to be saved because we are His creation and He loves us. that is why Christ was able to free us of our sins. He is the only link to God so we have to believe in His divinity and power to save us or we cannot spend eternity with God.

"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you."
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So the bible says that being remorsful is required for salvation.. asking for forgivness to jesus without being remorseful = hell?

(assuming you did somthing worthy of hell.. ex: killing a bunch of people or something)

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(assuming you did somthing worthy of hell.. ex: killing a bunch of people or something)

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That’s a common misconception. The act of murdering people does not make you worthy of hell. It is not the problem it is the symptom of a Godless life. The only thing you can do to deserve to go to hell is to ignore God.

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"Anything is Possible when you think illogically."

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You go to Heaven if you don't sin.

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Although yes you need a communication with God if you have sinned!
But if you havn't then you are sinless thus alowed into Heaven.
Do you understand?

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"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

Your completely neglecting sin.
If a human can't sin then why would you ever even care about what Jesus supposedly did in the first place!?
If there was no sin then we would all still be in Eden.
If murdering isn't sin then what is?
Sin is what condemns you to hell!
Sin is what stops you from having a close relationship with God. (supposedly)
If I have close relationship with God then go murder everyone in my town I am still perfectly saved right?
I wouldn't need to repent!
wTF are you talking about?!

"Anything is Possible when you think illogically."

The whole point of having a close relationship with God is that you wouldn't go out and directly defy him. Having a close relationship is a preventative for sin which by no means is saying that you will never sin, but a close relationship with God does indeed prevent a lot of sins that would happen otherwise.

"If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you."

Sin exists we all sin and we always will as long as we're on this earth. But sinning does not keep you out of Heaven. If that were the case no one would ever get in. Christians are still sinners and they still sin the only difference is that their sins no longer count against them. It's like if a person is granted a pardon for a crime committed. It doesn't me that person never committed the crime it just means that they are no longer being held responsible for it.

Sin interferes with a Christian’s relationship with God but it can be dealt with.

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If I have close relationship with God then go murder everyone in my town I am still perfectly saved right?

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"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"