jesus finishing our sins

beautifully said petesmith!

"If you know the candle is fire then the meal was cooked a long time ago"

So if Jesus did not sacrifice himself, I would have to sacrifice goats?

Realistically, how would Christianity have survived if Jesus did not exist? I'm not creating a debate about Christianity, but the question remains....

What if Jesus didn't exist? Would the religion have sustained itself with the belief that man had to suffer for his sins?

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

Im sorry, but I still can't see why Jesus's dying will remove the sins of thoses who believe in him.
And I still can't also see that why petesmith u think that sacrificing goats will make God happy
then again, I don't have that much knowledge of the bible, so it may well contain the logic, I m just commenting on what has been laid down here.

"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"

and cirrius, lol, if jesus didn't exist then christianity wouldn't have existed either= the name 'christ'ianity.

"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"

Derr...

Without Christ, there would only be Jeudasm yes? Christianity and Catholicism would not have existed right?

So is it feasible to say that without Jesus's existance and sacrifice, both of the newer religions would not have spread because it would not have been as easy to appease our sins?

Is the creation of Jesus an attractive addition to Jeudaism which makes it more acceptable, and hence, more widespread?

By that logic we can determine the likelyhood of Jesus actually existing, by determining if his existance increased the attractiveness of the religion or whether he made it less attractive.

As far as I can see how, his existance (as it is depicted) seems less likely to be true because the represenation of Christ is a good way of attracting people to the religion, and then keeping them there.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

As A.O.D pointed out, if there was no cross and Jesus had never lived, then we Christians would have no bases for our faith!
It is important to note that while 'Christinaity' only came about after Jesus died, worship of God, in whom Chrsitians worship, has existed since the beginning of time. The Bible starts with the words "In the beginning God....'.

To answer your question about why sacrificing animals is pleasing to God, I have to be honest and say I dont fully know. To attempt an answer I would say the reason God gave us his moral law (which included the regulations for sacrificing animals) and the 10 commandments is to reveal the extent of our sinfulness. In the Bible, it is discribed that the life of the animal is in the blood. Sin can only be attoned for by a life sacrific. Since animals are not perfect and have defects, it was only a temporary attonment. When Jesus came and lived a perfect and sinless life, He could offer himself as a sacrific for all of our sins past present and future.
He was the only one who could pay the price for our sins. He choose to give up his life for us. We need to receive his free gift of eternal life.

Hope this helps A.O.D.

I will give some more depth to these answers in the future.

""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

i just tohught of something.. maybe we use jesus to justify our sins!! i mean owuld explain why this trend is so pwerful amung us..

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Jesus's existance is one of the most verified facts of Histroy for that era. There are I beleive over 5000 different accounts of various aspects of His existance (These being non Christian writers etc). The Bible in fact is used by secular historians to study Roman history and other things from that period of History.

The Bible gives us a very accurate description of the Human condition. No other religious writtings even attempts to describe the reasons for the human condition (Sin, good and evil etc). The Bible is also one of the few books giving a solution to mans sinfulness.

""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

No other book?

haha.

Books written hundreds of years before the bible do. Nice try though, viral marketer.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

we have whats moral 'good' to us instinct (which another topic itslef i can go n to how any bhviur is 'good' to us but gernelly objectivly u know the morals i mean) and so christianiti is the most attractive religion casue peopel applied it more in that religion.. now its still the most popular and thats a bigf reason why...

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peopel applied it more in that religion

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"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"

about the sacrificing animals etc, it only sounds old fashioned and ridiculous when u say that 'God will be happy' or something. Actually,the sacrifice is a show of our love and devotion towards God perhaps.

nyway, I think I'll try to read the passages in the bible about Jesus saving us myself, because it seems Im missing the spiritual aspect to this.

"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"

i meant that the people who MADE the christian religion or spraked it off set it up (written down) Morals... more than other religions around that time n place.. so thats why it spread becasue we have and like love morals.. so thats why it grew as it did and is so strong today (and i am not a christian.. well acuatlly i am in the sense that my family is christian but we dont follow that crap) and yes that was my opinion so id like you to refute it with an opposing opinion (with reasoning as i did).. i could be absolutley wrong but id liek you to back yourself up aswell to show me that...

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WOAH unless i didnt see the other threads.. can i please be offered an explanation to why my HUGE post was deleted? i tought angel of death might have been intrested in the other side as well.. can i re pur at least SOME f those links (in response to... cant see his name) saying how science histroy really confirms and proves jesus existence... i just wanted to show the other side.. he was saying that non christians confrimed his existence.. so i want to show how even many CHRISTIANS who are HISTORIANS conclude that he probably did not even exist... theres books and a documentary on it but seems not publicised wenough...

"no quote until i copyright it.."

WOAH unless i didnt see the other threads.. can i please be offered an explanation to why my HUGE post was deleted? i tought angel of death might have been intrested in the other side as well.. can i re pur at least SOME f those links (in response to... cant see his name) saying how science histroy really confirms and proves jesus existence... i just wanted to show the other side.. he was saying that non christians confrimed his existence.. so i want to show how even many CHRISTIANS who are HISTORIANS conclude that he probably did not even exist... theres books and a documentary on it but seems not publicised wenough...

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