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To reiterate for the last time, I don't know what point you are making Cturtle (which shouldn't be offensive), but I would like to and so would appreciate clarification. Especially since your added comment...

"I agree, no purpose for you."

That is if you want(ed) me to understand you.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
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Lefty, I too studiied science and read to learn on my own. I loved scifi when I was like you. Science tends only to deal with what they percieve so medicine now has its psycho--related doctoriates and some biochemist seek to equate chemicals to thinking & responces within ourselves.
Particle physic had defined the world, they had all their formulas & it was just a matter of appling them. Then came the decovery of wave theory & overturned their cart.
There is more to the world than which meets the eye.

"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

"There is more to the world than which meets the eye."

But this I already knew.

And this just goes to my point that people shouldn't believe they have anything figured out.

Yet still does nothing to explain your point with this...

"I agree, no purpose for you."

But this is irrelevant to the topic and if you care to explain please do so through PM.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

i guess that god is important in every person's life no matter wut religion that person believes in but a being tends to feel an emoitional support of any kind from a greater source of intellegence and benevolence. humans r just slaves and we serve without noticing it and not forgetting that we r just creatures but we have a state of mind that we use inorder to reach god. if a person dosen't believe in the existence of god however i guess he believes in the ethics of life itself and defines his/her own god based on wut he sees god but in the end the inner mind needs a GOD

"" I CAME, I SAW, I CONQUERED""

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"Life is such sweet sorrow."
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Religion is made up stories (my memory wasn't made up though, but it might have been a dream, strange dream for a baby to dream though). Just like my memory, none of it may have been real at all. But rather symbols put in a specific order that I could understand, because that's what religion is. Religion is more than we can understand, so it is made into something we can understand.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

Strange Lefty, I thought I had given you more about 'how you stated no one has seen GOD and I pointed out the same is true of atoms. Yet you seem to accept their existence.

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Religion is more than we can understand, so it is made into something we can understand.

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"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

[b][u]i believe that good and evil exist only the god is our strengths, accomplishments and things that make us feel good and bring us and others happiness. evil is our weaknesses our fears and our failures our insecurities and so on. i believe that there are no two minds alike and that for every individual good and evil will vary. I also feel that religion is a way to keep order in the world by inflicting fear of something in the people it makes people stop and think before they act, it develops a consiounce. That is what makes sense tome but for sure i honestly do not know.

"smoke a beer and drink a stogge"

" Yet you seem to accept their existence."

Do I? I didn't know I expressed any opinion on them at all.

And I'm perfectly comfortable with the idea of an existing god, just not all the bullshit people have made up trying to understand it. Its one thing to say I think this is this way, or I'd like it to be this way, but to say it is this way and if others don't believe it they will burn in hell or some such horror is just silly.

Religion is a way to try to understand and connect to all powers greater than ourselves, whereas religious dogma isn't for understanding, its for control and claims of absolutes that don't allow for dissention. When properly applied dogma is but a path along the lines that Billie mentions, when abused is it a source of judgement and bigotry.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

There is a mental desease - I can't remember the name of it. There are people who have no feelings, this unforfutately is becoming more common, I have an opinion about that, but that's another subject.

These people have no consciouse to guide them, but they will follow rules. The reason that here in America we see so much of these people and the terrible things they can do is because we all don't have the same set of rules.

So I'm throwing this out there to explain why religion is important, it does set bounderies.

Tolerance is equaly important, because intolence causes confusion, it makes bad people out of good people.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."