A Little Quiz

the Gnat
Interesting points, leftwood. don't knowmuch of pagan religions, a little of celtic & native traditions.
Celtic traditions hold the moon =>feminine, not the sun => masculine. As farmers marked the change of seasons.

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[winter => spring] when the birth of the sun => lengthening of daylight

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"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."
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"The truth is there is no person from antiquity that is more verifiable with both primary and secondary sources as Jesus. He far surpasses Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, Plato, Socrates, Aristotle, etc. Any historian well tell you how important this is in establishing the credentials of a person long dead. "

I wanted to remark on this before, because as a matter of fact I've heard just the opposite from researches as well, that he is of the least verifiable and that very important and known writers with surviving writings never made the slighest mention. And that the biggest confusion on the point is probably the fact that the existing corroborative writings are by people who never lived during the days of jesus, do we even know the exact dates? I know the calendar has issues, let alone met him to confirm his existance.

Forgive me for questioning the historical accuracy of a book that has frogs as a possible weather forecast.

But again, I'm just relaying information that exists and contradicts popular "belief" or record on such issues. And again emphasize that I never met him and don't know if he existed, Santa I can't be so sure of, though I've heard he exists and doesn't, I've met lots of those.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

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Forgive me for questioning the historical accuracy of a book that has frogs as a possible weather forecast.

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"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

Raining frogs.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

As it is written that they choke on gnats but will swallow camels wholely =>holy.
I need to check reference will get back with you about the raining frogs.I see your point & must admit you are correct.
Jesus never existed & Christianity is nothing but a lie. Afterall, I choose not to kill others. Not because of some commandment of a mythical being but because I choose not to kill. This nation [these people] have murder others to steal from them, I choose not to do these things. So I choose not to live as they do because to accept their ways would onlly justify them in my own life. The only reason I am here now is they stole my son & as I told my exwife they would kill me just as they did my friend if I had tried to leave. http://www.captaincynic.com/thread.php3/thrdid=41826-u-frmid=26
Such a perverse people that they hold children hostage to force their ways upon others. Who in their right mind would want to be party to such things? Life is hell because they have made it so but going along withit isn't going to change it so what do you do?
For me, I live my life as best I can, try to comfort those they have so cruelly abused as I & my son have been abused, try to love others that they may know love, seeking what happiness I may find in life & sharing it with others.
But I would be lying if I were to say that belief in GOD was not a factor in forming the choices I made.

"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."
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As to the rain frogs, I am still a little fuzzy about what is being asked? So I would say from other post you are pointing out those violent actions of GOD toward Pagan worship? Or are you questioning their pagan beliefs?

"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

The frogs is a passage from the bible, it rained frogs and I'm pointing out that that is reason to question its validity. It was a statement wrapped in sarcasm.

And I question everyone's beliefs.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
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a passage from the bible

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footnote: the goddess Heket (the spouse of the god Khnum, who is depicted in the form of a woman with a frogs head was held to blow the breathe of life into the nostriles of the bodies that her husband fashioned on his potter's wheel from the dust of the earth.
This should be enlightening to some in another thread.

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"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."
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"Exodus 8:2 reads: "And if thou refuse to let them go, behold, I will smite all thy borders with frogs".

This is the closest thing I've found on the point, and seems to be the source of the quote.

It is apparently a debate inflamed by the movie "Magnolia" which I have never seen, I heard of this long long ago (long before even the existance of "Magnolia" and remember it because it stuck in my head as quite silly.

But any miracle claimed within the bible is cause for a question of validity. As such claims are common all througout history and modern day, most of which are laughed at, I simply apply the same logic as so many believers will do when they question the validity of another's claim.

Like I've said before as well, if you were to only watch the 700 Club, you would think that miracles of biblical proportions are in excess as well as direct conversations with God and apparitions of Jesus and Mary etc.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

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In fact one could plausable explanation for all these events =>as GOD works within His natural laws.

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Seems like he would be kind of a jolly fella to me.

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"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."
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hey
leftwood
if u don't believe in jesus
that's ok
religion is private and country is public
keep ur religion or whutever beliefs u believe in for urself and
let others believe in wutever they believe

"**it is not enough to conquer one must learn to seduce**"

You speak as though I control what others believe, I do not, as for speaking my opinion and questioning people about their beliefs, I will gladly continue to do so, if people are not willing to answer my questions that is up to them, and if they are not able to answer my questions, such as why do you believe what you believe, then perhaps they need to be taking a harder look at what they believe.

Unfortunately religion is not simply private, its political and one of the biggest ideological driving forces influencing people's actions and judgements of others, as well as affecting laws that force moral opinions on others and criminalize those who disagree. There is nothing private about that.

Thanks for you input.

And remember this is a public debate forum, not a private thought censorship area. Don't ask people to keep things to themselves unless it is violent or rediculously unproductive.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

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keep ur religion or whutever beliefs u believe

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"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

"keep ur religion or whutever beliefs u believe in for urself and
let others believe in wutever they believe"

Pehaps you should tell that to those following faiths who demand their followers to convert as many people as possible to save them from eternal hell.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

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But any miracle claimed within the bible is cause for a question of validity. As such claims are common all througout history and modern day, most of which are laughed at, I simply apply the same logic as so many believers will do when they question the validity of another's claim.

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Like I've said before as well, if you were to only watch the 700 Club, you would think that miracles of biblical proportions are in excess as well as direct conversations with God and apparitions of Jesus and Mary etc.

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"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."