Fake?

Well, we hope we are the same person. Or, rather, we hope that when it comes to the most important things, the things we value most and the things we truly believe in will stay the same no matter what and, therefore, remain as the foundation of who we really are. Unfortunately, it's not uncommon for people to radically change their values and beliefs under different conditions and around certain people. Oh, well.

"Each conscious mind is alone in the universe!"

i think we can all agree on the many "I";s in time and part of brain realted to personlity way of thinkning by influnce etc... but is there an "I" underneath?? that doesnt change .. like a "soul" or something how ever you may define that.. it just watches your ride (brain) attached to I, but that woulnt make sesn would it.. wouldnt the brain effect the "true" "I" to change as well.. id like to think there is an unchanging i (and i dont know which i thinks that.. either or both one more than the other neither etc)

"no quote until i copyright it.."

I haven't read the whole thread so I'm not sure if it has been answered in this way, but here goes:

Determining whether someone is being fake or not, including yourself, is a very important skill.

The immediate answer to your question is this: Is this person insecure right now, and if they are, what are they insecure about? Answering this will lead to a "hole" in their own self-esteem, which will then lead you to observe how they compensate for this insecurity.

Smoking, for example, is widely held to be compensation for low-selfimage because it makes you look more confident. Is anyone a "born smoker"? No... hence anyone smoking who looks like they were born to smoke, are acting that way.

Even as you type a message on the board or upload an image for your icon... ask yourself if this is the result of compensating for an insecurity? If so, then you are not being yourself.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

Fake? Everything is real. To determine exactly what a thing is can be difficult. In framing your definitions, I suggest you use "Ackam's Razor".

Ackam's Razor is a scientific tool used to eliminate false theories in favor of those closer to the truth.[u] You see, if you are in doubt about the true "you", you will lack confidence in your efforts.

This is how Ackam's Razor might work:

Theory 1: The Earth is one of 9 celestial bodies orbiting the sun, held in their orbits by gravity.

Theory 2: The Earth is one of 9 celestial bodies orbiting the sun, held in their orbits by gravity, caused by the mind of an ape.

In Theory 2, there is additional information which cannot be measured or proven in actual facts. To accept Theory 2 you would have to make a leap in logic without any reason for it.

Eliminate any "leaps" in your logic when considering yourself. This will require self examination, analysis and correction.

Always compare what you know to be true, to what you suppose to be true. Use the Razor to clear your mind. This is a tool used to rule the world of Science. For additional examples look up Scientific Theory.

You're obviously on your way, be careful who you take for advisors.

"You are affected by 3 generations and you affect 3 generations, and every third generation a major change takes place in the family."

word methuzula.. decius i dont think you understand that it is impossible to be fake.. ts a contradiciton you really have to back yoursleves up about what you mean by fake.. clearly..

"no quote until i copyright it.."

I don't see how it's a contradiction. 99% of the people you interract with are not being "honest" about their motives, intentions and desires.

By not being "honest", I mean the information you get from them is not consistent with what they truly feel inside. I think this addresses the original question much more readily than a scientific approach, because examining what "truths" you've accepted from the start till now is an almost impossible task.

Realistically, you can more adequately determine what in this world makes you insecure, which will in turn help you determine what you do to compensate that insecurity, which will lead you to an understanding of what you do that is "Fake". This can also be used to determine how fake another person is being.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

so.... the more insecure a person is, the more "fake" they become in order to compensate... and vice versa. so the only way for a person to never be fake is for them to never be insecure... never met a single person who doesnt have some sort of insecurity.

"I am Akba-Atatdia"

Small children often are not insecure... hence the lack of fakeness. If they can do it, so can you.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

With respect to question as to whether there is an "I" beneath all the other "I"s, yes, I believe there has to be one "I" but the question is whether it's strong enough to take charge of all the other "I"s when necessary. I don't think there are that many people who have that kind of will. People always change their minds about things or do things contrary to what they think and tell others they would not do. I think it takes alot of self-study and work to achieve a true self, a one, unchangeable "I."

"Each conscious mind is alone in the universe!"

Society has made us adapt we create theses different personality’s and visages to cope psychologically with the world around us, so I would say most people are putting up a front, but if that front is used for a long enough period does it not become part of the original “I” ,yes people lie and cheat for gain or protection of self but if done enough it becomes easier as you grow u learn and you change, obviously what most people portray is not really who they are but if someone is capable of deceit how far of is it actually.

Ps: sodium penthanol comes in handy

""Veritatem quaere et insaniam inveni""

Interesting question... If you lie long enough, doesn't it become truth?

I guess it's a form of conditioning... You can always re-condition yourself for the good or the bad.

I would say yes, you do eventually become what it is that you are lying about. The problem is that most of the time you adopt certain mentalities or attitudes as compensation... which means they are illogical, yet you believe them because you have to.

As time progresses, along with the changes you implemented, the conditioning of defending yourself also becomes habitual... specifically, defending your behaviour and attitiude without the presence of logic.

So anyone who has been fake long enough who eventually becomes what they were faking has also learnt the innate ability to argue without the presence of logic... and is almost unable to accept the possibility of them being wrong.

It's like, you either reject logic or you welcome logic. There are two distinct paths and once you accept logic, it leads to a whole bunch of truths, and one of those truths would eventually be "you are being fake"... most people can't deal with, nor do they want to face those words.

Specifically because they've forgotten what it means to not be fake... so it makes them nervous and scared, like a child in a new school.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

quote:

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If you lie long enough, doesn't it become truth?

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"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

As I read I'm persuaded back and forth. I think that there are different ways to look at being fake and none of them are 100% correct.


In one aspect of it you could say there is no such thing as fake cause even if "99% of the people you interract with are not being "honest" about their motives, intentions and desires. " how can anyone know what their true motivations, intentions, and desires are?

I don't even know why I'm motivated to write this who knows maybe am I'm being fake.

perhaps whatever we do is real
and being fake is just an illusion we create..

""That's only the tip of the iceberg.""

being fake only depends on the self...on the "me"...you can never tell if another person is being fake...because every action imposed upon you is subject to YOUR judgement.... only the "you" decides if another is being real or not...all action is real...all thought is real...all words are real... only the persona decides how much reality is present....if there was no "me" to say that you're fake...and no "me" to say something that's not factual...then everything would be realness....and vice versa........ Judgement on what is not there that's the only conditioning that's taking place here...

And to Cturtle....if a person conditions themself to thinking that they are superman...then to their self they are superman.. to you they are not because you judge on what isn't you!........ it's not that you want to be superman, it's that you're not a part of their reality therefore it's false to you.... whatever the "you" believes is only impressioned on "you"... anything else is as we say...an Illusion...

"Being is not knowing!"

we do not understand how to accomplish our own intentions if we did wouldn't we be able to accomplish anything? if you avoid someone cause you actually like them, doesn't mean you are fake, you are as real as can be!! you avoid them maybe cause you fear rejection.. they are at fault for not realizing this..

but then again how can we judge others intentions when we don't understand that of our own

""That's only the tip of the iceberg.""